Posted on 09/30/2006 2:07:29 PM PDT by most
I left a flippant comment where I indicated my definition of a "moderate" Muslim was also known as an "informant". It was partially in jest, but partially serious in remembering that, in fact, it was a Muslim informant who helped UK law enforcement agencies foil the recent big plot to destroy several airplanes using liquid explosives. This kind of Muslim deserves recognition for his actions, despite what he or she believes or espouses as a part of his private life.
I think most of the frustration we feel when we pine for a real, influential, "moderate" force in the Islamic community, is a frustration in a lack of...
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Wanna know who the moderate Muslims are?
They're the one screaming "Death to extremists!! Behead the extremists!! May Allah punish all extremists!!"
;^)
Moderate Muslim; Cuts heads off with a sharp knife.
Extreme Muslim; Cuts heads off with a dull knife.
A moderate muzzie is one that has run out of ammo
Or ignorance. A moderate muslim is one who is either ignorant what Islam is all about, or in denial.
Quran-4:89— Take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks.
Sura 9:5 of the “Koranus,” “wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”
" upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." Sura 9:29
"Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger tip." - Sura 8:12
There is no moderation, either they submit to the koranus, or they dont.
These things require context:
To speak of a 'moderate Muslim' while ignoring reality of the Arab/Muslim history is a little short sighted, imo.Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).
Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.
The United States currently has foreign aid/military assistance agreements and treaties with 36 different predominately Muslim nations. Of the top 16 nations receiving foreign aid last year, 6 were Islamic republics: Egypt is number 2, Afghanistan is number 3, Pakistan is number 4, Sudan is number 6, Jordan is number 7 and Indonesia is number 13. The foreign aid to those six Muslim nations alone dwarfs what we give to Israel, the number one foreign aid recipient.
Notice that the list above doesn't include other Muslim nations that we have strong trade and strategic ties to like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait.
We are spending half a trillion dollars to nation build in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There BETTER be "moderate Muslims!"
Heh, heh!
Or else, a moderate hezziemuzzie is one who realizes he will get his sh#& blown away if he threatens anyone.
Well, that fear would still make him more reality-oriented than the worst of the muslims. Letting in reason can do wonders for a fellow's longetivity. A moderate indeed!
a moderate (also read good) muslim is a dead muslim
Moderate Muslims, like unicorns, elves and the tooth fairy, are not endangered species, they never existed!
"A moderate indeed"
Touche. I shot down my own (sarcastic) argument. Someone who would rather live than die, or who hopes to live to see the triumphant outcome of his cause, is not your typical suicide bomber. Yeah, WHAT moderates?
I'll try again: a moderate Muslim is your local 7-11 manager or falafel shop owner who quietly cheered discreetly with his fellow Muslims, as they watched reruns of the collapse of the WTC towers.
):^(
I'll take "things that a unicorn would be surprised to see exists" for $400, Alex.
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