Trojan Horse? [Murtha medal issue a trap]

Mudville Gazette ^ | Jan 14th, 2006 | Greyhawk

[Fenris6]

"Former representative Don Bailey (D-Pa.) has apparently broken ranks and attacked the war record of fellow Democrat John Murtha"

"...The story was picked up by CNS, a conservative web site. In their report they also cited excerpts from The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in 2002, and several quotes from political opponents in the 1990s that raised questions regarding Murtha's record."

"...But the quote used above comes from a Washington Post article that confirms many of the accusations in the CNS story. But before Murtha's political opponents begin jumping for joy, they had best take a close look at how the Post is spinning the story of blue on blue warfare:..."

"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, they say. The Post dutifully notes the actual source of the accusations (Bailey) a few paragraphs into the piece, but leaves no doubt where this story is headed: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said, "The Swift Boat-like attacks on an American hero, Congressman Jack Murtha, are despicable and have no place in politics."

"Let me be clear: attacks on Murtha's Vietnam record are pointless. Murtha's latest statements against the success of US troops in Iraq speak for themselves; his current behavior renders his past insignificant. Democrats, grown tired of waiting for an attack on Murtha's war record from the Right, have created their own. He's painted as a victim now - of "right wing chickenhawk" contempt for real war heroes. But those serious about standing up to the current John Murtha would be well advised to let his fellow Democrats and the mainstream media keep this war "unilateral".

[ohioWfan]

I agree with that statement, and I am undecided about this, and open to persuasion.

My initial reaction is that Murtha, in spite of his histrionics, is a useless old man who exposed himself as a traitor on national TV, and has rendered himself as harmless and impotent as a political force as has Cindy Sheehan.

I am wary of Republicans getting involved in exposing him at the expense of higher values (like electing a President in 2008 who will defend us against terror and not causing a backlash by pursuing something that isn't necessary).

These are just questions that I'd like to ask without being labeled a "Move-on Freeper."

I don't think my support of the troops, or of our vets should be questioned because I don't come down hard on the side of pursuing these allegations against Murtha.

[freema]

Star, I've tried to go over any possible reason for not questioning Murtha- to listen objectively to those who are hesitant. I don't know if I'm missing something, I hope I'm not. My gut and my instinct are that he needs to be made to stand down.

I don't lightly discount the arguement that it should be done right. Dad always said, "If you're going to to a job, do it right or don't do it at all."

I don't think this needs to lie on the shoulders of the Republicans.

Nor do I don't think it needs to lie on the shoulders of Vets.

And, I think it's repugnant to expect the burden to lie on the shoulders of active duty personnel.

I think we owe eternal gratitude to Swift Vets.
I never will understand why they waited until the election. Thirty years living with the lies of John Kerry had to be excrutiating. I don't want another generation to live one minute with these lies. But the clock is ticking...and they are! I'm not sure what is the best way to handle this situation.

I know SV did not want their 'mission' to be confused with politics. Their sole objective was to keep Kerry from becoming CIC.


As long as Murtha purports to speak with absolute moral authority (a la Maureen Dowd/Cindy Sheehan) we have the absolute moral authority to know if he is who he says he is...

and given his other past(s) only fools would to allow him to continue unchallenged.

The sole objective, IMHO, should be to stop Murtha from giving aid and comfort to our enemy, in essence, to issue some form of gag order, i.e. shut him up.

Is there any other way way to expose his present bs other than to publicly confront him with his past bs.

Whose responsiblity is this?

What's wrong with this picture, anyway?
A thirty year reservist (I'VE GOT NOTHING AGAINST RESERVISTS!) taking hold of the microphone and continuing to yap into the PA system (yes, I know, that is a very good pun) that the CIC and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are dumb f*@%$.

I don't want to be melodramatic, but we all know there's more to come where this comes from. When, where, and how, that's anybody's guess.

[snuffy smiff]

Fenrise6-I smell a dem traitor trying to cover a fellow traitor's arse as well as her stepson's.

Ohio-perhaps this will help you to see why this traitor needs to go


The Los Angeles Times revealed on June 14, 2005 that Murtha, as the top Democrat on House Defense Appropriations, has been funneling tens of millions of taxpayer dollars into KSA Consulting, the lobbying company of his brother, Kit Murtha, and KSA clients.

Last year, Murtha strongarmed the Navy into transferring the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, which had a contract with a company called Lennar, Inc. to “redevelop” the 500-acre site bringing millions in profits to Lennar. The Senior Vice-President of Lennar is Laurence Pelosi, Democrat House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s stepson.

This year, Murtha inserted several “earmarks” (specifically designated appropriations) into various defence bills giving millions of federal research dollars to companies owned by the children of Democrat Congressman Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania’s 11th district adjoining Murtha’s 12th.

[StarCMC]

I have carefully read several threads posted here at FR and all the comments attached to each, and I have to say, I have reached the same conclusions. Like I have said, I personally do not look down on ANYONE'S service -- I have offered NONE to my country (not that I'm proud of that, it's just a fact) so I feel like I have no ground to stand on when casting the stones. HOWEVER, I look at people like Tonk and others, and they DO have the basis. and the service under their collective belts, and they are calling it into question. It is my obligation -- and pleasure -- to back them 100% and do anything in my power to aid them. It's the least I can do. That's where I am on this anyway.

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558666/posts?page=137#137

[BykrBayb]

I appreciate what you do for our vets, troops, and national security. Everyone who's been paying attention knows who the move-on freepers are, and what their agenda is. You're helping to expose them, and the traitors who continue to put our nation and our troops at risk every day. Keep it up Tonk! Thank you for your service, past and present.

[Delta 21]

This is an on the spot correction for me. If I would have found out earlier I would have been pinging of the deep end the second this became public. Being a soldier worthy of respect and a congressman serving the public is a full time job. No free passes or quid pro quo. If he wants to play those politics he had better not use his military record to bolster his career. This Chief, for one, will call him on it.

Shame on anyone that knew or suspected and said nothing. Shame on Murtha for not laying it on the line and letting the chips fall where they should. This probably never would have seen the light of day if Murtha hadn't been making his stupid comments. If he thinks he will discredit anyone for attacking him on this he is as out of touch as the rest of his party. They don't scare me, and the fear of what the dems might do or say in retaliation for being called to task for any of their treasonous acts is all the ammo they have. Just a lot of hot air.

Come on fellow conservatives!! We are in charge now! Letting the liberals act like they still retain any power is just as bad as letting a peanut farmer shake hands with a terrorist on the steps of the White House. Well, we ain't on that road any more!

Bloating your ribbon bar for any reason (getting more tail on liberty, garnering clout in a political debate, or justification as to why you would make a good C-in-C) is shameful and disrespects every soldier who earned the medal. And its all so very easy to prove. He either has the proper documentation or he doesn't. If he cant prove it, then don't use it as fodder for your fight. The references to these awards didn't just magically appear on his web page. To think that no one would question them is the arrogance that has bloated the government to what it is today.

[freema]

Me too, Star, me too.

And spending the weekend with four jarheads, looking them in the eyes...two of them back from Iraq...twisting arms to get some stories : ) thinking about what I heard, first hand accounts, and that this son of a bitch could be putting their brothers in more danger just really freaken stokes my fire.

Dang. I was kind of rational until I veered off the road, there. : ) I'm going back to my happy place LOL.

[StarCMC]

Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts!

LOL - ok Tinkerbell -- all better now?? He he he!!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Is everyone who thinks that there may be no need to pursue this about Murtha a "Move On FReeper" in your view, Tonk?"

The real "Move On FReepers" are those who refuse to do anything about hanoi kerry and attack Viet Nam Vets like me who served at the same time as hanoi kerry in Viet Nam.

freema is a mother of someone serving now,
like your son had in the past, in Iraq

And Radix, who's son just came back after his 2nd tour in Iraq

Perhaps you should ask them this very question.

[ohioWfan]

Thanks for that info.

I have no problem with having Murtha 'go.' It's what I think should happen to him.

What I am questioning (though not condemning) is making this a cause of the Republican party

Since I am feeling some ambivalence about this, I'm finding it hard to articulate exactly what I mean, so I apologize for any confusion about what I am saying.

However, I had NO ambivalence about Kerry. He was trying to become the C-in-C of our fine, brave troops.........including my SON. He could not get away with his charade.

[ohioWfan]

Tonk..........my questions are about Murtha, not Kerry.

I understand the desire to rid the Congress of all traitors and posseurs.........but that would include most of the RAT party.

My only question is the cost/benefit of pursuing this. I think Murtha has marginalized himself by his idiocy. If I thought anyone except the fringe kooks on the left took him seriously, I might be more persuaded of the value of this effort.

[freema]

I think I screwed up, dangitallanyhow!!! and meant to type Korea.

Good points anyhow, I think. Now that I'm done panicing about correcting my blunder, I'm going to go see what you wrote!

[Calpernia]

What is the difference between what Kerry did with the Vietnam Moratorium and Murtha with Code Pink?

[JCEccles]

I think you're way too paranoid. You're crediting the looney left with far more cleverness than they actually have.

[freema]

You just had to use the codeword Tinkerbell, didn't ya.
It's a special word to me, and will keep me in my special happy place, but with a nice warm fire. Of all the words you could have used : )

Semper Fi, Star.

[ohioWfan]

Kerry was trying to become our Commander in Chief. He was going to try to lead our troops into (or out of) battle, and was a lying traitor.

Murtha is impotent, now and forever. That is the difference, IMO.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Again, your question is best answered by those
who have served, like your son did, in Iraq

murtha, in my book, has endangered our troops lives
by aligning with code pink

[Calpernia]

But he is a Congressman.

It is the Congress that is suppose to protect the rights of the citizens of the states.

We that live in blue states are basically POWs as long as we have corrupt officials.

Murtha rode into his seat with his service record.

Now, PA basically can't have an honest election with the shape Philly is in.