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To: JOHN W K
More of your lies, johnnicakes. You should stick to Tax Protest promotion. You have routinely planted misinformation upon misinformation on these threads about the FairTax (HR25) and what it does and does not do. Your aim, of course, is to take away a tax plan which would greatly help the economy of the country and its taxpayers while at the same time trying to con readers into believing in a tax plan that failed before and was replaced by our first income tax in 1863 would do anything beneficial this time in a far more complex set of circumstances.

Your have made numerous claims of what HR25 is and does and in many instances these are gross lies - or, being charitable, just plain ignorance (which is palpable in your case). Your TP agenda is never far from the surface and you must resort to untruths in an attempt to further it. Your former associate Ed Ellison would be proud as would John Kotmair and the Save-A-Patriot Fellowship.

Nothing is too outrageous to attempt to disrupt the country, eh?? A failed tax system is just the first item on the agenda, isn't it? After that, what? Socialism? Fascism? Nihilism? Anarchy? Any of those make you a "winner" in your view but certainly not in the mainstream view of most citizens of the country.

Having long experience with you on other threads I realize you will not admit to any of your "misstatements" (aka lies) but will instead continue them, spewing them out as frequently as you can and trying to inveigle readers into your vanity sites where (you hope) you can practice you attempts at mind control without being rebutted as you are on these threads.

If readers stop to think, johnnicakes, they will grasp the reality of the fact that you have:

1) No bill before Congress (or even NOT before Congress).

2) No Congressional sponsors - or even support.

3) No Congregational co-sponsors.

4) No studies by recognized economists showing how your crackpot and ill-named "tax plan" would raise sufficient funds to run the country without causing complete chaos (as it eventually did after the original implementation).

5) No showing that it would do anything beneficial for our country's economy - let alone the taxpayers themselves.

6) No showing that the FairTax bill does not accomplish exactly the goals you PURPORT to have in mine (but really don't) since HR25 is both constitutional and accomplishes all that does the your "wonderwording" you'd like amended into the Constitution ... all without disrupting our country (but in fact actually benefiting it).

You'll not get many TP takers from these threads, pal.
25 posted on 01/13/2006 8:10:47 AM PST by pigdog
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To: pigdog; TonyRo76; green iguana; Fido969
Representative John Linder, says:

I am the primary sponsor of the FairTax, legislation that will repeal all corporate and individual income taxes, payroll taxes, self-employment taxes, capital gains taxes, estate taxes and gift taxes - and replace it with a revenue-neutral personal consumption tax.

In regard to the above statment another interesting observation concerning H.R. 25 is, we are told the proposal will repeal income taxation and the IRS will be closed down. But is this really true?

After reading the language of H.R. 25 it becomes quite obvious there is no attempt to repeal or prevent Congress from laying and collecting an excise tax as upheld in FLINT v. STONE TRACY CO., 220 U.S. 107 (1911) a case decided prior to the adoption of the 16th Amendment. And why is this important? Because the tax upheld in the FLINT CASE is not an income tax, but an excise tax, and the amount of tax to be paid is calculated from “income’’ and does not rely upon the IRS CODE or income taxation which H.R. 25 mentions.

Under the language of H.R. 25, it appears the tax mentioned in the FLINT CASE remains untouched and is a loophole cleverly left which allows Congress, in keeping within the language of H.R. 25, to impose an excise tax upon Corporations, certain privileged occupations, individuals and events, and then calculate the amount of tax to be paid from profits and/or gains (income)!

So, in spite of all the talk about repealing various sections of the IRS Code and closing it down as portrayed on the cover of the Fair Tax Book, the same type of misery now suffered under income taxation, the Internal Revenue Service and the IRS Code, appears to remain very much alive under H.R. 25 by a subtle loophole left by the architects of the proposal!

If H.R.25 is adopted and Congress followed it to the letter with the loophole the architects have left, Congress is invited to simply erase the word “Internal” from “Internal Revenue Code” and replace that word with “Corporate“, as in “Corporate Revenue Code,” and, likewise erase the word “Internal” from “Internal Revenue Service” and replace it with “Corporate“, as in “Corporate Revenue Service“, and go about its business inflicting the same time consuming and costly misery upon Corporations and individuals as now done, but in addition, these corporations will also have to abide by and follow an additional rule book, the newly created H.R. 25 rule book, with all its new regulations for record keeping as will be created under H.R. 25!

H.R. 25, in all honesty, doesn’t “eliminate” squat as Boortz portrays on the cover of his book. And it especially does not even make an attempt to stop Congress from calculating a tax from corporate income.

H.R. 25 has carefully left the above mentioned loophole so Congress, especially a future socialist dominated Congress, even if the 16th Amendment is repealed as promised, to enact, say a small tax upon those wealthy evil corporations and scoundrels who make millions of dollars a year and bleed the poor working people, such as was alleged about Leona Helmsley who they sent to jail for an alleged tax fraud, but who actually contributed into the common treasury more in taxes than any twenty average working people in New York.

Perhaps I’m wrong and someone___ maybe even Neal Boortz or his talking pet pig___ will come to the defense of H.R. 25 and explain to us how H.R. 25 is intended to prevent Congress from laying an excise tax on Corporations, certain privileged occupations, individuals and events, and then calculate the amount of tax to be paid from income, leaving the American People in the same situation we are now in, but with an additional rule book to follow in the payment of taxes which tightens the iron fist of government around the productivity of the American People.

The only tax reform we need is for the people to demand their employees add the following words to our Constitution:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay “any” tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

See how easy real tax reform is? It doesn’t take 135 pages of bullstuff, loopholes and gobblygoo [H.R.25] which would leave us on a sinking ship…it only takes 32 words for the people of America to re-establish a fair system of taxation, our founder’s plan, which would also gain control of a runaway Congress!

Regards,

JWK

“He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither swarms of officers, to harass our people, and eat out their substance” ___Declaration of Independence

26 posted on 01/13/2006 1:12:26 PM PST by JOHN W K
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