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The Policy of Turkification in Iran
oslonor ^ | Nov 26 2005 | oslonor

Posted on 11/28/2005 3:30:15 AM PST by oslonor

The Turkification of Iran under the leadership of the former President Khatami has been carried under the banners of "Iranian Aryan Nationalism". The truth is these people represent the Azeri nationalism and their base of support are Azeris. In their political campaign they always use Persian girls and they paint themselves as the inheritors of the Persian civilization. The policies of Turkification targets the Persian minority and tries to destroy the Persians as an ethnic minority and replace them with Turks. The policy is based in destroying the structure of Iranian population where Azeris live in separate and far away provinces from provinces where Persians live and tries to mix the Azeri population with Persian population.

To explain what is the Azeri regime in Tehran one have to compare them to the Nazi Germany. The Azeris nationalist have dropped the banner of Islam a long time ago. They are replacing Islam with Pan-Iranism. Their Pan-Iranism is an Iranian version of Pan-Turkism. They have created something called the Iranian race. Their Iranian race is the Azeri turks and the mixed race segments of Tehran's population. Unlike the Nazi Germany which believed in the superiority of German Race, the ruling Azeri regime in Tehran believes in the inferiority of the Azeri Turkish race. This is nazism in reverse. So they believe that to improve the Azeri race they mix Azeris with Persians. They officially call this agenda for "The Aryanization of Azeri Turks into Aryans". The bad news for Azeri nationalist is they can not change the DNA of Azeris whatever they do. Even mixed race Azeris are and remain Azeris. In addition to that Azeris have never been Zoarastrians and do not share the old inhabitants of Persia's culture and civilization.

"Aryanization of Azeri Turks into Aryans" accomplishes another objective set by the foreign backers of these Azeris Turks. That is to separate contemporary Iran from its past heritage. They are already arguing that there is no more Persia and Iranians are a different race from the people of the ancient Persia. There are many reports about history publishers in Western Countries are eliminating Persian Empire from their history books. And their evidence will be that you can not show any more Persians and all Iranians are Azeri Turks. See here for an example.

Also Azeris have set up several "Azeri Aryan Front Organizations" to promote their "Pan-Azeri Aryan" ideology. Note that Azeris are in no way related to Aryans and do not even look European and they speak a non indo-European language associated with Altai-Uralic languages. But Azeris claims to be the whitest and purest Aryans. Here is a list of their websites:

I will explain their policies in a more detail later on. But the major factions in the regime in Tehran are the Azeri Turks supported by liberal Jews internationaly and the Persian faction centered around Mashhad religious establishment. Former President Khatami and Rafsanjani represents the Azeris Turkish faction. Mr. Tabasi from Mashhad is the Persian faction.

Special cultural characteristics of Azeris are their tendency to use violence to solve all social issues. This is clear both in the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan and during the "Islamic Revolution" in Iran. Also in Russia, the Russians consider Azeris as one of the most criminal elements within the Russian federation.

Targeting the Azeri nationalist in Iran as the main enemy of all Iranian people is the key element to bring any kind of change in Iran. The only path for change is the removal of these Azeris nationalist from all levels of political power in Iran. And this is the demarcation line between real opposition and the Azeri Gangs who run the Tehran regime. Opposition to this regime is not based on abstract principles about what is right or wrong. But it is an opposition to the real people who are benefitting from this regime and hold them in power. And those are the Azeri gangs who control the state in Iran. Azeri elite and their Azeri base is the main target of revolution in Iran.

The real political divisions in Iran are not based on who is a real moslem and who is not. But they are based on who represents the Persian civilization and who represents an Azeri Turk alien culture in Iran. It seems the fall of Islam after one thousand years is going to be equal to the removal of the Azeri Turkish political dominance in Iran. Both Islam and Azeri Turks are foreign to the Persian culture and the Iranian people. Both Azeri Turks and Islam have lost their political dominance in Iran and this is going to be their last struggle before their downfall. I will list some of their policies in Iran and as research continues more items will be added.

  1. Growth of Tehran: Concentration of Economic Resources in the Capital Tehran. Tehran has 12 million population and its population is increasing on a daily basis. This is a growth of %1200 from 1 million to 12 million since the fall of Shah. All modern European countries decentralize the resources to cut down on pollution and increase economic activity in provinces. Iran under 8 years of War with Iraq urgently needed to spread out resources in order to minimize military damage to sensitive resources. Despite the military requirements the growth of population in Tehran has continued. At the same time the difference in income levels between Tehran and provinces have widened.
  2. Afghan Refugee Policy: Under Khatami administration only Hazaras who are descendents of mongol turks were officially accepted as refugees. The other Persian speaking and non-Turkish afghan refugees were denied admission. Also note that they set up the Afghan refugee camps in outskirsts of Tehran. More appropriate would have been to setup refugee camps in Khorasan bordering Afghansitan as similar people live on both sides of the border and not in Tehran where the Azeri Turks who have no cultural or ethnic connection with afghans are a majority. On CSPAN one of the Washington experts on Afghanistan described the success in their policies and declared that Afghans are already Arabs. Arabs is a code name for Azeri Turks.
  3. Promoting ethnic tensions specially with Arabs and Kurds: This policy is a cover to promote Azeri Nationalism and representing Azeris as true Persian nationalist. The events in Khuzestan and Kurdistan is a confirmation of these policies. The Iranian government is looking for another "Great Satan" to replace US with. Arabs can be a good replacement as "Arabs are the Great Satan". Currently supporters of Azeri nationalism are making a lot of noise about the "The Superiority of the Aryan Race over the Arabs" in order to distract attention from Azeri Nationalism. Recent Bomb explosions in the city of Ahwas in South West oil province is another indication of this scheme.
  4. Moving Azeris to Khuzestan: Plans to move Azeris into the Oil Province in Khuzestan. The content of the letter outlining this policy was leaked out from President Khatami's office to the Iranian domestic mass media.
  5. Moving the Capital Tehran:Plans to move the capital from Tehran to Mashhad. Mashhad is the capital of the biggest Persian speaking province Khorasan which borders Afghanistan. This plan includes moving several million Azeris into Khorasan. Articles have appeared in Iranian press on this subject. It has been opposed by the Persian clergy in Mashhad. Another plan was to divide Khorasan into 20 provinces in order to weaken it as a base of resistance for the Persian clergy. But they succeeded to divide Khorasan into southern Khorasan and Northern Khorasan. Also a campaign by Azeri Turks sponsored satelite TV in US on the family of Mr. Tabasi who runs the Persian clergy establishment in Mashhad has started in US.
  6. Azeri civil servants to Provinces: Sending Azeris civil servants into different provinces and replacing local employees with Azeris.
  7. Anti-Persian Campaign:The campaign against Persian Chauvinism is a cover to promote Azeri nationalism. The Republic of Azerbaijan has started programs on Persian Satelite channels to help their partners in Iran with their campaign. What is interesting is very little Azeri is spoken on these channels despite that it is controlled by The Republic of Azerbaijan and they constantly complain about lack of Azeri language programs. Most of the programs are in Persian. The purpose is mainly to convince Persians of their Persian Chauvinism. Under normal conditions, nationalist tv's address only their own ethnic people such as Azeris and not the people they call oppressors.
  8. Affirmative Action for Azeris: Promoting and accepting Azeris into univeristies on a priority basis. (Similar to affirmative action for blacks in US).
  9. Selling of Persian Girls: Smuggling the Persian girls into neighboring arab countries and selling them into sex slavery for Arabs and rich Azeris living in Dubai. The current price is 5000 dollars. This is mostly organized by Azeris gangs who operate with the authority's approval. On this subject even the other Azeri groups in the government have protested. This was a major issue on the last presidential election between the two main Azeri factions running for president in Iran on August 2005.
  10. Transfering the Oil income to Azerbaijan and Tehran. Both Kurds and Arabs and others have always complained about the lack of resources in Kurdistan and Khuzestan and the abundance of resources for Azeris in Tehran.
  11. The Murder of Persian Nationalist:The murder of Mr. Dariush Forohar the leader of Pan Iranian Party and his wife for opposing the Turkification policies by the agents of government. This has been admitted even by the government of Iran and they even held trials for the members of the security apparatus. This also led to demonstrations by the people.
  12. Azeri Elite Culture: According to Western Media, Azeri elite such as Mr. Rafsanjani is telling ordinary people that they should go to mosques and live a religous life and the west is corrupt but they themselves send their children to western countries for education and buy real estate in those countries. They will do anything to please their western sponsors and they show no concern about Iranians. Their representatives in west as reported on Exile Iranian Mass Media claim that the "Islamic liberals" have the same status and rights as all Iranian refugees in the west and they are in peacefull competition with them to get favors and live a "good life" in western countries. They also claim that Iranian refugees in west are jealous for these "Islamic Liberals" because they have good financial situation. Hypocracy, lack of honesty is the salient feature of Azeri elite culture i.e. Khatami and Rafsanjani. This is opposed to the Persian Aryan culture which places a high value for honesty and nobility.
  13. All Iranians are Opposed: Both ordinary Azeris and other Iranians are opposed to these policies organized by some groups in power. The plan by these groups to turn Iran into Yugoslavia will fail.
  14. Massive Immigration of Azeris into other Provinces: The massive immigration of Azeris into Tehran and other provinces in the search of "Jobs" is an official policy by the government in order to strenghten its base of support and spreading it to other parts of the country. It also provide a base for spying network on ordinary citizens. Azeris are the most loyal segment of the population for the Tehran government. It also accomplishes its racial mixing policies ordered by foreign backers. This is an attempt to improve the Azeri race and destroy the Persians as a race. According to many sources the provinces of Gilan and Mazandran has seen a lot of immigration by Azeris. It seems these two provinces have been specially targeted for turkification policies in its early stages. The fact that Azeris have been moved into different parts of the country is clearly and proudly stated by their US based satelite TV stations. No viewer has asked the host of these programs on TV what business Azeris have in other provinces? Also to justify their policies, they have started their own so called "research" showing that almost all provinces in Iran are actually Turkish provinces. This ranges from the Turkish Khorasan province to Turkish Fars province to turkish Gilan and Mazandran province etc. If that is not enough, they want even to unite with the Republic of Azerbaijan in order to bring even more Azeri Turks into Iran and strenghten the Turkish faction within the Azeri Regime in Iran. These policies have been tried in US where Afro-Americans are moved into different states for political and racial reasons. See my blog on Louis Farrakhan and blowing up the levees in New Orleans.
  15. Murder of Zoarastrians: The Azeris gangs running Iranian government are involved in the murder of the prominent Iranian traditional Zoarastrian leaders. The latest one was in France. Azeri nationalist also support liberal Zoarastrian who believe that the Iranian Zoarastrian should accept african-americans as their members. The traditional Zoarstrians believe that only Iranians can be Zoarastrian. According to some reports the Liberal Zoarastrians in California are planning to register a religious minority category called Persians. These people are supposed to be the ones who believe in Zoarastrianism "liberal Style". Under this category african-americans and Azeris would be called Persians, but the real persians would be classified as Iranians.
  16. Iranian Government Leaders are Turks: Practically all leaders of Iranian government are Turko-Azeris. Khamnei The Supreme Leader: Azeri, Rafsanjani Former President: Uzbek, Khatami Former President: Azeri, Ahmadinejad President: Azeri etc. The only non-Azeri high ranking official was Ayatollah Khomeini. After his death his son Ahmad was murdered by agents of government and his grandson fled to Iraq. You can imagine the somebody can run away from these Azeris to Saddam's Iraq. For his grandson Saddam's Iraq was a safer place to live than in Iran.
  17. Taliban Crimes in Afghanistan: Al Gore and Co. are the foreign backer of these Azeri nationalist in Iran. Al Gore was the main sponsor of Taliban in Afghanistan and they are responsible for all the crimes committed against the people of Afghanistan. The racial policies of Azeri nationalist are sponsored by Liberal Jews and they have the same policy in both Europe and US. It has led into social breakdown in Europe. The riots in France confirms this. For more information on Al Gore click here.
  18. Azeri Alliances: Azeris are internationaly allied with Liberal Jews in the democratic party and Afro-Americans in US. You can see Azeri and Afro-American alliance in the Los Angles based Exile Iranian entertainment industry. Gogoosh has Afro-Americans as prominent members of her orchestra when appearing in concerts in US. Also Afro-Americans appear often for a reason or no reason on Azeri sponspored TV stations in US. Also Iranian forums are flooded by African Americans advertising for dating with Iranians.
  19. Destroying Persian Identity:Azeris are given leading jobs in Iranian mass media based in Los Angeles by their backers. These azeri "leading" mass media journalists promote Azeri identity as Persian identity. They also repeatedly state that Persians are mixed with Arabs. One of these Azeri figures has repeatedly stated on the Iranian satelite channels that the reason he looks like Afro-Arabians is because he is Persian and mixed with Arabs because of Arab invasion in 6 century AD. He does not mention that he is Azeri and not Persian and he looks like his Seljuk Ancestors and not because of Arabs invasion of Persia. Moreover his ancestors were not even in Persia at the time of Arab invasion. Arabs have DNA gene marker EU10 Haplogroup. That defines a person as an Arab. Iranians do not have this gene marker.
  20. Azeri Nationalism a dead-end ideology: Azeri nationalism is a dead-end ideology and will lead nowhere. The Azeri nationalist agenda declared by them officially that they want "Aryanise the The Azeri Turks into Aryans by mixing Azeris with Persians" is a dead end ideology. The Azeri nationalist in power in Iran are not able to change the DNA of Azeris no matter what they do. Even the mixed race Azeris are still Azeris and will not turn into Aryans. You can check and see their pictures on another blog. They clearly look Azeris. All they will accomplish is destroying all ethnic groups in Iran. That includes Persians, Kurds, Lurs etc. This policy of assimiliation has already been carried out in The Republic of Azerbaijan and is similar to the Pan-Turkist ideology in Turkey where they do not recognize any ethnic group beside Turks and they have committed crimes against Armenians and Kurds.
  21. Azeri Nationalist Slogans: Pan-Iranism:The more Azeri nationalist lose their momentum, the more desperate slogans they promote. Their latest slogans are "To purify Iran by eliminating Arabs and Turkomens". Similar things they have done in Turkey with murder of Armenians and Kurds. I have personally met some Turkomens and Turkomens are one of nicest and friendliest people of Iran. The slogan of Pan-Iranism is the same version of Pan-Turkism only under a different name. Pan-Iranism means to these people that all Persians should be assimilated into Azeri Turks. And that is what they are actually doing. The Azeri nationalist hide under Iranian label and call themselves an Iranian race. That is what they mean by Azeris are Iranians. In reality Iranian is not a race but it points to all ethnic groups in Iran. These Azeris misuse the label of Iranian to mean there is an Iranian race. This way they justify their turkification policies. They say that they want to eliminate the turkish race in Iran by mixing the turkish population into other ethnic groups and specially they target Persians for their heritage. In reality they are trying to destroy Persians as a race or an ethnic group in Iran. Also Azeris are so obsessed with improving their race that when US removed Taliban in Afghanistan, they immediately offered to go to Afghanistan and "help" afghanis. No such offers were made to their Azeri countrymen in Iran's Azerbaijan. Another method used by these people is to promote racism against other ethnic groups such as Arabs and Turcomans. And Azeris claiming Medes, Persians and Scythians as their ancestors. So Azeris are pure Aryans. In other words racism is very good if directed against other ethnic groups but it is very bad if it is directed against Azeris themselves. Here is a "Pan-Azeri" video.
  22. Are Azeris Persians?: The Azeri nationalist claim that Azeris are Persians but speak Turkish language. They also claim that they originate from Medes. The reason is that they want to carry out their policies under the banner of Pan-Iranism. There are two problems with this theory. First the Azeris do not look like Persians or Kurds. Secondly, the seljuck Turks who are the ancestors of Azeris ruled over the whole Persia. Why the rest of Iran not speaking Azeri language if they impose it on Persia? Why Kurds are not speaking Azeri language? The remnants of Talish persian speaking minority in Azerbaijan is precisely the proof that Seljuk Turks did not impose Azeri language. Of course those who had Azeri language as their native language spoke Azeri not because it was imposed, but because it was their native language. Not only Seljuk Turks did not impose Azeri language but they even adopted Persian language is the language of the Elite of Seljuks.
  23. Persian Chauvanism?: The Republic of Azerbaijan claims that Persians are chauvanist and are oppressing Azeris. They also claim Persians are running Iran. The Azeri nationalist in power in Iran claim that Azeris are oppressed and we should help Azeris out of this oppression. These two factions work together behind the scenes.
  24. Non-Racism in Iran: One of the reasons that Iran is a completely non-racist society, unlike India where they have caste system or US is the structure of Iranian population. Every ethnic group lives in a separate province. Persians in South and North East and Azeris in North West. That is how every ethnic group has maintained its identity for thousands of years. The Azeri regime policies will lead to a completely racist society where people will be judged on the color of their skin and how much Persian or Azeri heritage the mixed race people will exhibit. It will reproduce the American society in Iran complete with racism and its divisions. The Azeri policies will lead to Azeris ending up as second class citizens and will promote racism against Azeris by other ethnic groups. Also most Anti-Arab propoganda by Azeris is to cover up the similarities of Azeri Turkish facial features with Arabs even though Azeris are not related to Arabs in anyway.
  25. Are Qashqais Azeris?:Azeris claim Qashqais in Fars province are Azeris and they speak a dialect of Azeri language. Actually Qashqaii have nothing to do with Azeris. They are a tribe of Persians and local Turks who have adopted a turkish language. Many of them look Persian but speak a turkish language unrelated to Azeri language. In addition to Qashqaiis, Azeris claim that Bakhtiaris have immigrated to Persia from Lebanon and they are somehow related to Azeris.
  26. Azeri Race: The Azeri sponsors in West claim Azeris belong to two races depending on which country they are in. They are both Armenoid and Irano-Afghan race. That sounds a new innovation in science.
  27. Azeri Nationality Policy: Azeris claim that the existence of different nationalities and races in Iran are pure fantasy. The only race in Iran is an Iranian race which they are member. There are no other races in Iran. That is why other ethnic groups should avoid using Iranian as this label is misused by Azeris. They should identify themselves as Persian-Iranians or Kurdish-Iranians. Let Azeris call themselves Iranians which is equal to a Turk.
  28. TV Shows as Tools of Propoganda: Azeri Turkish regime in Tehran is producing films and TV shows about ethnic cleansing in Yougaslavia as if that was a great problem in Iran. The purpose of these shows is to convince people of advantages of mixing Azeri population with Persian population and the policy of moving Azeris into different parts of the country. Another theme that they use in their films is Persian girls should leave their tribe or village and come to Tehran and marry Azeri Turks. Most of the films are about how to break down the traditional resistance and culture of ethnic Persians not to marry their daughters to alien ethnic groups such as Azeri Turks. In these films Azeris use their money and their "education" as a leverage to force these traditional people to allow their daughters marry into multi-racial marriages.
  29. Azeri Population: Azeris are estimated to be around 35 to 40 million people in Iran. Also note that Azeri nationalist always underestimate the number of Azeris in Iran in order to hide behind Iranian label.
  30. Turkish Provinces in Iran: Azeri nationalist has started to claim most of the Persian provinces as Turkish. It ranges from Fars to Khorasan to Mazandran etc. Scholary research is welcome but it seems they have a political agenda. Here is the list of their websites:
    1. http://astara-enzeli-az.blogspot.com/
    2. http://qezvin-az.blogspot.com/
    3. http://hemedan-az.blogspot.com/
    4. http://bicar-qorve-az.blogspot.com/
    5. http://sonqur-az.blogspot.com/
    6. http://merkezi-az.blogspot.com/
    7. http://qum-az.blogspot.com/
    8. http://xelec-turk.blogspot.com/
    9. http://savucbulaq-shehriyar-islamshehr-az.blogspot.com/
    10. http://mazandaran-turk.blogspot.com/
    11. http://isfahan-tr.blogspot.com/
    12. http://luristan-tr.blogspot.com/
    13. http://arabistan-tr.blogspot.com/
    14. http://fars-turk.blogspot.com/
    15. http://elxan.blogspot.com/
    16. http://kerman-tr.blogspot.com/
"Aryans" Azeri Turk Style


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: azeri; azeris; iran; nutjob; turk; turkification; turks

1 posted on 11/28/2005 3:30:16 AM PST by oslonor
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To: oslonor
You've certainly developed a case for racial apartheid here. Very dangerous logic indeed... So tensions in American race relations stem from racial integration? Let's take your logic seriously for a moment and apply it to the United States... How would you recommend we divide our cities and states to ensure each ethnic community can flourish in their isolation?

Non-Racism in Iran: One of the reasons that Iran is a completely non-racist society, unlike India where they have caste system or US is the structure of Iranian population. Every ethnic group lives in a separate province. Persians in South and North East and Azeris in North West. That is how every ethnic group has maintained its identity for thousands of years. The Azeri regime policies will lead to a completely racist society where people will be judged on the color of their skin and how much Persian or Azeri heritage the mixed race people will exhibit. It will reproduce the American society in Iran complete with racism and its divisions. The Azeri policies will lead to Azeris ending up as second class citizens and will promote racism against Azeris by other ethnic groups. Also most Anti-Arab propaganda by Azeris is to cover up the similarities of Azeri Turkish facial features with Arabs even though Azeris are not related to Arabs in anyway.

You're fighting on the wrong side in a world desperate to globalize. The walls between cultures are coming down and if you can't hold fast to your identity in the midst of it then I suspect your last recourse is in history books. Fighting racism is a just cause but don't use more racism to do it. The only way to defeat it is to integrate. It's not easy to do of course but the rewards are palpable. Take the U.S. for example; Americans originate from every corner of our planet. Within our communities there are subcultures that live freely, side by side with others in peace. Free to move and trade! Free to create their own communities or integrate with others but all the while, American. It is this formula that has made the United States the most able nation in the world. Why would you want to hold Iran back by advocating racial apartheid?


2 posted on 11/28/2005 8:36:38 AM PST by humint ({@}) Think about all the things you don't know you don't know ({@})
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To: oslonor
Alright... I took another look at your post and my comment to it and realized I broke one of my own cardinal rules. You mentioned a number of very serious problems and in my post, I didn't offer any solutions. Suggestions are part of any good discourse so the first ones need not be perfect; at least I've never held myself to such a standard. My general suggestion is for a type of federalism for Iran. What's important is that a plausable vision be created and then an agreed upon set of steps to reach such a reality.

Federalism is the theory or advocacy of federal political orders, where final authority is divided between sub-units and a center. Unlike a unitary state, sovereignty is constitutionally split between at least two territorial levels so that units at each level have final authority and can act independently of the others in some area. Citizens thus have political obligations to two authorities. The allocation of authority between the sub-unit and center may vary, typically the center has powers regarding defense and foreign policy, but sub-units may also have international roles. The sub-units may also participate in central decision-making bodies. Much recent philosophical attention is spurred by renewed political interest in federalism, coupled with empirical findings concerning the requisite and legitimate basis for stability and trust among citizens in federations. Philosophical contributions have addressed the dilemmas and opportunities facing Canada, Australia and Europe, to mention just a few areas where federal arrangements are seen as interesting solutions to accommodating differences among populations divided by ethnic or cultural cleavages yet seeking a common political order.

Now you may or may not agree with this idea but let's go through the scenario together and discuss the problems Iran would face with federalism. Obviously this is not a comprehensive list but if one were generated, a follow-up list could be created to mitigate the negative impacts of each potential problem. Take for instance, the creation of an inter-provincial cooperation committee designed specifically to coordinate inter-provincial projects.

  1. Economic: Distribution of revenue from petroleum resources
  2. Inter-federation trade under the Bazaar system
  3. Representation: In the federal architecture how would ethnic groups be represented
  4. Language maintenance vs. dominance [media and arts funding based on ethnicity]
  5. Police and military integration to prevent corruption
  6. Provincial favoritism [equal opportunity | affirmative action]
  7. Provincial specific laws as opposed to federal laws [would Sharia still be a factor?]

These are just rough ideas but with them we can now start the kind of dialogue that could lead to the equal empowerment of Iran's populace so that the ethnic tensions you describe are less of an issue. But while I find no problem working out a basic solution to the problems you describe here, it is my experience that the majority of the inhabitants of Iran, consider themselves “Iranian”. Regardless of the province from which there people originate they do not see your issue as a central concern if they view it as a concern at all.

3 posted on 11/28/2005 3:07:51 PM PST by humint ({@}) Think about all the things you don't know you don't know ({@})
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To: humint

thanks for comments. People are free to marry anybody they want. But here We are dealing with a fascist regime in Tehran who uses the state to carry out racial policies. I think you are on the wrong side if you are against nazism.
oslonor


4 posted on 12/02/2005 1:38:54 PM PST by oslonor
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To: oslonor

Your comments are published here
http://visitorcomments.blogspot.com/


5 posted on 12/02/2005 1:49:45 PM PST by oslonor
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To: oslonor
I think you are on the wrong side if you are against nazism.

According to Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler developed his political theories after carefully observing the policies of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He was born as a citizen of the Empire, and believed that ethnic and linguistic diversity had weakened it. Further, he saw democracy as a destabilizing force, because it placed power in the hands of ethnic minorities, whom he claimed "weakened and destabilize" the Empire, by dividing it against itself.

The Nazi rationale was heavily invested in the militarist belief that great nations grow from military power, which in turn grows "naturally" from "rational, civilized cultures". Hitler's calls appealed to disgruntled German Nationalists, eager to save face for the failure of World War I, and to salvage the militaristic nationalist mindset of that previous era. After Austria's and Germany's defeat of World War I, many Germans still had heartfelt ties to the goal of creating a greater Germany, and thought that the use of military force to achieve it was necessary.

Many placed the blame for Germany's misfortunes on those, such as Jews and communists, whom they perceived, in one way or another, to have sabotaged the goal of national victory, by obtaining a stranglehold on the national economy, and using the nation's own resources to control and corrupt it.

Alfred Rosenberg's racial philosophy wholly embraced the Aryan Invasion Theory, which traced Aryan peoples in ancient Iran invading the Indus Valley Civilization of India, and carrying with them great knowledge and science that had been preserved from the antediluvian world. This "antediluvian world" referred to Thule, the theoretical pre-Flood/Ice Age origin of the Aryan race, and is often tied to Atlantis theories. Most of the leadership and the founders of the Nazi Party was made of members of "Thule Gesellschaft" (the Thule Society), who romanticized the Aryan race through theology and ritual.

Nasism is an ideology that floats on romantic lies. I am vehemenetly anti-Nasism. Unless you mispoke, I wish you nothing but failure in your future. You are my enemy as Hitler was my fathers' enemy.

6 posted on 12/02/2005 2:02:53 PM PST by humint ({@}) Think about all the things you don't know you don't know ({@})
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To: humint

You should read the complete article on "The Policy of Turkification of Iran" here. I describe the Nazi ideology of these Azeri Turks.
http://azeriturks.blogspot.com/
Also read the blog on Persians and Hollywood here:
http://oslonor.blogspot.com/
Oslonor
P.S. Those Azeris who use the state to carry out Nazi racial policies are Nazist not those who are oppose to it.


7 posted on 12/02/2005 11:46:17 PM PST by oslonor
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To: humint

Also you should separate the question of Aryan migration which is a theory in anthropology from Nazism. These are two separate issues. It seems you react only to buzz words instead reading carefully what is it about.
Oslonor


8 posted on 12/02/2005 11:51:43 PM PST by oslonor
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To: humint

Some Jews as I have mentioned have actually adopted Nazi ideology. But that is not my fault. You can not defend these Nazi Jews simply because they are Jews.


9 posted on 12/03/2005 2:02:38 AM PST by oslonor
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To: humint

The model for American society is good for US. But you can not copy it to other countries. Also US is trying to eliminate racial discrimination. Iran is already a non-racist society. Now you are suggesting that Iran should turn into a racist society similar to US. Persians do not want to have a racist society which the Azeri Nazist are trying to create on behalf of their foreign sponsors.


10 posted on 12/03/2005 6:10:38 AM PST by oslonor
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To: oslonor
The model for American society is good for US. But you can not copy it to other countries.

It is not uncommon to look at the form and function of the United States and perceive a singular model. But that perception says more about the person perceiving the U.S. than it does about the U.S. You’re approach to understanding American politics is trapped in a belief that politics and war are only the products of competing empires. As I understand your argument, the U.S. is just another empire with imperial problems such as ethnic strife. But you can’t understand American values and goals if that’s how you look at the world. The fact is the U.S. is not an empire! The U.S. government was formed on principles that reject imperialism. American ideology is about managing relationships between cultures to the mutual benefit of each. Therefore you cannot point to one part of the U.S. and say THAT’s “American society”.

Rather you should look at the points where cultures meet each other within the United States. Although I could fill this page with volumes of success stories, it’s only when the relationships begin to fail that U.S. policy steps in. Because ethnic diversity has a dramatic impact on human relations, many types of policy have been proposed. But make no mistake; policies that support racial purity are among the dumbest. Why do I say this, because these ideas are escapist. Your solution ignores the root cause of the problem! We MUST be able to interact with each other, regardless of race!

In any case, race is just one aspect of culture. Where do these ideas of yours stop? They don’t stop, because your empire must be the only empire among empires! But once you’ve conquered your external enemies, you’ll still have to purge the enemy within. Those with impure eye color must be purged… It’s dangerous logic indeed! The only aspect of American ideology that I would like others to adopt is this one:

That’s it! Under this prescription, race is just one of many variables good government must manage to ensure the mutual success of all its citizens. Any ideas that conflict with this single guiding principle must be fought. This singular belief develops policies that lead to freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom to travel, freedom to learn and most importantly freedom to be YOU in a world of people who aren’t you! Like anyone else, I can point to efforts of American origin that were not on the path of greater human freedom but because deviations remind us of the value of freedom, the United States has always found the path again. You have to know the power of freedom because you are a living, thinking person. With true freedom a Muslim can be closer to Allah because he freely chose to be with Allah. The same is true for Christians and Jews. Atheists too are free to be challenged and challenge their beliefs! The list goes on and on… Freedom is power and that’s why the U.S. is powerful, not because it’s an empire with ethnic strife.

11 posted on 12/03/2005 8:45:07 AM PST by humint ({@}) Think about all the things you don't know you don't know ({@})
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