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REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE
Danielpipes.org ^ | 11-08-05 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 11/08/2005 7:57:21 AM PST by pgkdan

Reflections on the Revolution in France*
by Daniel Pipes
November 8, 2005

The rioting by Muslim youth that began October 27 in France to calls of "Allahu Akbar" may be a turning point in European history.

What started in Clichy-sous-Bois, on the outskirts of Paris, by its 11th night had spread to 300 French cities and towns, as well as to Belgium and Germany. The violence, which has already been called some evocative names – intifada, jihad, guerilla war, insurrection, rebellion, and civil war – prompts several reflections.

End of an era: The time of cultural innocence and political naïveté, when the French could blunder without seeing or feeling the consequences, is drawing to a close. As in other European countries (notably Denmark and Spain), a bundle of related issues, all touching on the Muslim presence, has now moved to the top of the policy agenda in France, where it likely will remain for decades.

These issues include a decline of Christian faith and the attendant demographic collapse; a cradle-to-grave welfare system that lures immigrants even as it saps long-term economic viability; an alienation from historic customs in favor of lifestyle experimentation and vapid multiculturalism; an inability to control borders or assimilate immigrants; a pattern of criminality that finds European cities far more violent than American ones, and a surge in Islam and radical Islam.

Not a first: The French insurrection is by no means the first instance of a semi-organized Muslim insurgency in Europe – it was preceded days earlier by one riot in Birmingham, England and was accompanied by another in Århus, Denmark. France itself has a history of Muslim violence going back to 1979. What is different in the current round is its duration, magnitude, planning, and ferocity.

Press denial: The French press delicately refers to the "urban violence" and presents the rioters as victims of the system. Mainstream media deny that it has to do with Islam and ignore the permeating Islamist ideology, with its vicious anti-French attitudes and its raw ambition to dominate the country and replace its civilization with Islam's.

Another method of jihad: Indigenous Muslims of northwestern Europe have in the past year deployed three distinct forms of jihad: the crude variety deployed in Britain, killing random passengers moving around London; the targeted variety in the Netherlands, where individual political and cultural leaders are singled out, threatened, and in some cases attacked; and now the more diffuse violence in France, less specifically murderous but also politically less dismissible. Which of these or other methods will prove most efficacious is yet unclear, but the British variant is clearly counterproductive, so the Dutch and French strategies probably will recur.

Sarkozy versus Villepin: Two leading French politicians and probable candidates for president in 2007, Nicolas Sarkozy and Dominique de Villepin, have responded to the riots in starkly contrasting ways, with the former adopting a hard line (proclaiming "tolérance zéro" for urban crime) and the latter a soft one (promising an "action plan" to improve urban conditions).

Anti-state: The riots started eight days after Mr. Sarkozy declared a new policy of "war without mercy" on urban violence and two days after he called violent youth "scum." Many rioters see themselves in a power struggle with the state and so focus their attacks on its symbols. A typical report quotes Mohamed, 20, the son of a Moroccan immigrant, asserting that "Sarko has declared war …, so it's war he's going to get." Representatives of the rioters have demanded that the French police leave the "occupied territories"; in turn, Mr. Sarkozy partially blamed the riots on "fundamentalists."

The French can respond in three ways. They can feel guilty and appease the rioters with prerogatives and the "massive investment plan" some are demanding. Or they can heave a sigh of relief when it ends and, as they did after earlier crises, return to business as usual. Or they can understand this as the opening salvo in a would-be revolution and take the difficult steps to undo the negligence and indulgence of past decades.

I expect a blend of the first two reactions and that, despite Mr. Sarkozy's surge in the polls, Mr. Villepin's appeasing approach will prevail. France must await something larger and more awful to awake it from its somnolence. The long-term prognosis, however, is inescapable: "the sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced," as Theodore Dalrymple puts it, "by the nightmare of permanent conflict."


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1 posted on 11/08/2005 7:57:22 AM PST by pgkdan
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The long-term prognosis, however, is inescapable: "the sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced," as Theodore Dalrymple puts it, "by the nightmare of permanent conflict."

Not a pretty picture. As much as I despise the French I wouldn't wish this on them...they brought it on themselves, but I still wouldn't wish it on them.

2 posted on 11/08/2005 7:59:15 AM PST by pgkdan
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Goodbye France hello to the Theocracy of Frogistan.


3 posted on 11/08/2005 8:00:50 AM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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They need to experience a "Kent State" event. It will save lives, money, material stuff, and France. I fully expect France to tumble (maybe not right now, but eventually) unless they get different and good hard leadership.


4 posted on 11/08/2005 8:02:31 AM PST by right right
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The greatest nation of the past 500 years is reduced to this; I'm going to read Augustine's feelings on the sack of Rome to put me in the mood. As much as I like to see the French impotence and cowardice on display for all to see, the whole episode makes me despondent; the French were once a proud and intelligent people with the achievement to back up both. But the French have really brought this on themselves, their little game of playing the "other" side has finally come to bite them good. They have peddled almost every stupid idea of the past 50 years.
5 posted on 11/08/2005 8:13:55 AM PST by giobruno
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But the French have really brought this on themselves, their little game of playing the "other" side has finally come to bite them good. They have peddled almost every stupid idea of the past 50 years.

You're right, of course, and France is just Act I. We're about to witness the collapse of western civilisation in Europe of the Europeans don't wake up and start kicking ass soon.

6 posted on 11/08/2005 8:34:17 AM PST by pgkdan
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"the sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced,"

What a fool. There is and never has been "Cultural Compatibility" with Muslims. They really do believe in "Convert or die". They also remember the Crusades very very well, it is still talked about today in Arab Cafes. To them, this is payback, even if it did take centuries for them to be in a position to do it. the only "Cultural Compatibility" these people know is from the safe side of a weapon pointed at someone else.

Better get with the program Jacques. You and France as we know it today is in great peril. I for one don't think that the USA is gonna come save your arses again.
7 posted on 11/08/2005 9:45:32 AM PST by Danae (Allah FUBAR!)
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You and France as we know it today is in great peril. I for one don't think that the USA is gonna come save your arses again.

We won't get involved in this current cycle but eventually all of Westren Europe is going to be fighting the arab scourge...I think we'll be sucked in by then.

8 posted on 11/08/2005 9:49:48 AM PST by pgkdan
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I agree. Those idiots will let thousands of their own citizens get killed, then ask for help. What pisses me off is the fact that if we want to live free as we do now, we will have to come to their rescue just to keep the Islamofacists from having a nice little base of operations. I think it should be called 'Takeover Crusade by Immigration'. This is a serious problem no doubt. Frenchies are going to have to break out the real bullets before this is over.

One thing Muslims get is the edge of a knife of the pointy end of a supersonic bullet. We have to get used to the fact that Musilms have a totally different value system where it comes to human life. Only after you kill a whole lot of them does their will begin to fade. Pig blood on the bullets helps as well!


9 posted on 11/08/2005 10:02:10 AM PST by Danae (Allah FUBAR!)
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