Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB
Clinton signed it because the Republicans had enough votes to override his veto. By signing it he was able to take credit for it.
Your position on Stem Cell research is perfectly reasonable and yet most of the evangelicals would call you a NAZI for it. That's the whole problem.
Also, and this point was evidently lost, I don't actually want the GOP coalition to split up. I don't want to have to live under a Rodham-Clinton Administration but the evangelicals need to take it down a couple of notches or that's exactly what's going to happen.
The Constitution protects us all even the religious.
It was one of the top 4 or 5 bills passed in a 50 year period.
Clinton was able to round up enough Democrats to vote for it to give him cover and that's why it looks like there were enough votes for an override. If clinton had opposed it, then most of the Demos would have done so as well.
Don't forget that he vetoed the same bill twice earlier but had a couple of small provisions made (cosmetic changes) and then he signed it. There were no overrides of the first 2 vetoes.
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That pretty much sums up the Conservative position quite well, thank you.
No Mike. I'm really not.
Really?
Sounds like you are.
You seem to give the Dem's all the credit for this bill. come on.
You could have at least left your pom poms at home then.....
I also could never, ever vote for anyone that was in favor of Partial Birth Abortion (as Hillary is) or Gun Control (as Rudy is), and for you to say you are Pro - Life conservative, and be more worried about evolution than PBA is a farce.
By this logic, you must fanatically oppose President Bush on the grounds that in Sept 2002, he went to the UN for a resolution against Iraq which was ultimately passed -- UN RES 1441 in Nov, '02. He then went back in Feb '03 to press for another resolution to authorize use of force but ultimately pulled it for lack of support.
Yeah, he does keep posting glowing praise for Bubba's "accomplishments'.
Last place I heard such praise was among the elderly in Morristown NJ, the age group Bubba butt raped politically the most with his sleazy politics.
But to hear them tell it, "Clinton did alot for us!"
*Puke*
Go check out that thread.
See who it was posted by.
By your post, you are admitting that this is NOT the place for you.
Actually I would say that they are not even Rupubs first. They are actually more old-style democrats in that they don't think there is any issue that the federal government should not be involved in.
That wasn't my intention. ALL and I mean ALL of the credit belongs to the GOP for welfare reform. Clinton opposed it till the end. He would have vetoed it a 3rd time but he thought that it would hurt his reelection. It was only when he decided that he needed to sign it that he was able to round up about 20 extra dem senators and 25 extra dem representatives to vote for it...
That's why it appears that it passed with "veto proof" majorities. But all of the credit belongs to the GOP.
yeah he *TRIES* to convince us he is a conservative, but its FAILING miserably....
Oppose partial birth abortion. Oppose gun control. Favor strengthining anti-illegal immigration efforts -- especially with regard to "OTM" category (Other than Mexicans).
As for abortion in general, I think the roe v. wade decision was a joke that interfered with the political process. It should be overturned but I don't think that it'd have a major effect if it were.
In post 85 I linked him to the Boss words.
He didn't seem to like them much.
He doesn't seem to have actually READ the linked thread though.
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