Jimmy Carter wanted to surrender. After the Soviets collapsed, all the leftists said it was inevitable, would have happened no matter who was in the White House.
Posted on 02/02/2005 8:38:23 PM PST by Dr. Marten
First off, Mossadegh wasn't a communist, and the dissolving of the Parliament was after the CIA and MI6 had started Operation Ajax.
There were really two coups. The first was an attempted coup by the US, the UK, General Zahedi, and the Shah, who signed a document dismissing Mossadegh and installing General Zahedi as Prime Minister. The Shah was originally timid about signing such a document, and had to be convinced by Kermit Roosevelt, who was sent to Iran to orchestrate the coup. Once he did sign the furman, (I don't know the correct spelling of the term) the Shah went into hiding in northern Iran, and the CIA and Zahedi tried to overthrow the gov't. Unfortunately for them, however, Mossadegh escaped the coup, and the Shah flew to Baghdad, where he remained until the second coup attempt (which was successful) 4 days later.
The reason that the pro-monarchy forces won the second time around was due to a number of fatal mistakes by Mossadegh, as well as great CIA planning. Firstly, after learning from the US ambassador to Iran that Americans in Iran were being prosecuted, he called all of his supporters to stay inside and not protest the pro-monarchy forces, despite the fact that the ambassador was really bluffing as part of a psychological scheme made by Roosevelt (who really was a genius). Secondly, the CIA payed poor Iranians to protest FOR Mossadegh, and act violently, simply to alienate Iranians and make Mossadegh look extreme and the pro-monarchy forces look just. Thirdly, Mossadegh refused to arm the Communist Party, Tudeh.
Mossadegh was not Hitler. I have many relatives from Iran, I am pro-Bush and pro-American, and I don't think we need to apologize for this, but this was a mistake, and the only worse outcome would have been if the USSR had administrated a coup of their own, and we had WWIII.
They can never afford to admit that because then someone might notice that Patton and MacCarthur were right and they could've saved us from half a century of Cold War, millions of lives lost and trillions in national treasure.
...that maligns the U.S. and any U.S. policy that supplants Communists.
c'mon, finish your sentences. ;)
Alright, alright. You do have to please your audience to get the paycheck.
Jimmy Carter wanted to surrender. After the Soviets collapsed, all the leftists said it was inevitable, would have happened no matter who was in the White House.
You really missed my point. There would have been no Soviet expansionist empire to either surrender to or for Reagan to crush. It would have been settled decades earlier. FDR and Truman started our surrender to communism. Reagan just said "no!" thirty five years later. The carnage still goes on. If not for the stinking leftist 'Cold War' and the resulting games you see being discussed on this thread think how different our relationship to the Mid-East would be today.
It's history now. The left has dealt the world unspeakable evil and they always will if allowed to.
I hope he will take the time to read from the President's Inaugural address.
Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world:All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know: the United States will not ignore your oppression, or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you.
Democratic reformers facing repression, prison, or exile can know: America sees you for who you are: the future leaders of your free country.
The rulers of outlaw regimes can know that we still believe as Abraham Lincoln did: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
The leaders of governments with long habits of control need to know: To serve your people you must learn to trust them. Start on this journey of progress and justice, and America will walk at your side.
And all the allies of the United States can know: we honor your friendship, we rely on your counsel, and we depend on your help. Division among free nations is a primary goal of freedom's enemies. The concerted effort of free nations to promote democracy is a prelude to our enemies' defeat.
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Not Moscow U.?
Look, in office, he behaved like a Soviet asset, okay? Otherwise, why did the CIA gravitate toward the opinion that he might in fact be a Soviet asset? His trajectory, as I pointed out above, tracks well with those of several individuals who were either Soviet assets themselves or "useful idiot" stalking horses for an eventual Communist putsch.
And the frequently-heard charge that Mossadegh was democratically elected falls apart on inspection: he was elected to the Majlis, but appointed to higher office by factions of the Majlis.
If the CIA and MI-6 managed to peel away support from Mossadegh as part of Operation Ajax, that does not mean that he didn't enjoy Tudeh's and the Moslem extremists' support beforehand, either; or that, absent Western intervention, he would not have continued on in the direction of an eventual radical putsch of some kind, or even a civil war between the Moslem extremists and the Tudeh. Now, wouldn't that have been lovely? Or we might have got a theocracy in 1960 instead of 1980.
The writer of this article is just too eager to point the finger at the United States, as if Mossadegh and his party were innocent lambikins violated by the rude Westerners. That stuff won't play anymore. It's neo-Wilsonianism cranked through a reductio ad absurdum, only you expect us to sit still for the idea that the actual, American-influenced outcome was the only outcome that would have had bad consequences. Moreover, the American intervention and countercoup had other benefits -- it kept the Soviets out of the Persian Gulf -- before it finally led, twenty-five years later, to revolution.
This article is typical Marxist recrimination and propaganda. And how do I know that? By its form and style, and by applying my native abilities of perception. As Senator Gallus told his torturers in the camp of the Praetorian Guards, that's why the gods gave humanity a sense of smell!
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds. Talk about a "tin foil hat" comment. That was a stupid statement that you made, actually straight from the "Hate America" Handbook, Chapter 1.
If I only had a nickel for every time some jackass wrote inane crap like this. " fifty years ago your country did bad things therefore all the worlds problems are your fault. Well from now on I'm blaming everything on the Indians. If they had had a comprehensive immigration policy in place 500 years ago white people would have stayed in Eurpoe and the world would be one big happy place. Damn injuns!!!!
| 8 | “[Iran] had a democracy once, but [the U.S.] crushed it...this month [will] commemorate the 50th anniversary of the U.S.-led coup of the democratically elected leader of Iran -- Mohammed Mossadegh...Operation Ajax, [was] the CIA plot that overthrew the Mossadegh.” |
The only 50th anniversary to be commemorated this month will be the one for the 50 years that the far-left has been trying to pass off that pack of lies to the gullible and easily fooled.
When Mossadegh was overthrown, Iran was NOT a democracy, it was a monarchy ruled by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. And Mossadegh was NOT Prime Minister by virtue of any national election, but rather he been appointed PM by the Shah. The closest Mossadegh ever came to a democracy, was when he staged a rigged national referendum to dissolve parliament which he won by 99.9%(!) (so much for his support of democracy).
Mossadegh was an extreme nationalist who maintained his grip on power through a close alliance with the Iranian Communist Party (think Afghanistan) and with the radical, Ayatollah Kashani, a militant Muslim fundamentalist and an associate of the Fadayan-e Islam, an Islamic terrorist group that had assassinated the former Prime Minister. This was not an alliance of equals, but one that would have surely resulted in his own assassination and a take over by one of his allies.
More of Mossadegh's "dedication" to democracy is evidenced by his own efforts to overthrow the properly constituted "democratic" government of Iran by trying to force the Shah into exile.
As for CIA operation "Ajax", what can you say? I guess Allen Dulles and his brother just liked the 1950's advertising jingle: "Use Ajax, the foaming cleanser -- Cleans the dirt right down the drain"!
To its everlasting credit, operation Ajax fortuitously forestalled the radical Islamist take over of Iran for over a quarter century, till nearly the end of the cold war. Had Operation Ajax not taken place, we would have faced the Cold War and the Global War on Terror, simultaneously, and our survival then would have become problematic at best.
--Boot Hill
It's not as if the USSR would've left an oil-soaked, somewhat Communist-sympathetic weak nation on their border all by its lonesome self.
No, it's true. Much of the CIA documents were leaked to the NYT.
The documents can be true and pure BUT when "leaked to the NYT", they automatically become suspect. The NYT (AKA The DemocRatic Party House Organ) has zero credibility thereby casting doubt on the truth of the "documents". (See Bee Ess/dan blather)
Thanks for posting this. A stupid article written by stupid people but the history lessons brought out on this thread are pure gold! This thread has been bookmarked.
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