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Ok, I know this will provoke some strong debate, even though it is a fairly old article, but let’s try to keep it civilized.

I have met some Christians who hold the view that we should in no way attempt to live off the Earth, that it is in violation of Revelations and therefore a violation of God's will. I am a Christian and do not believe this, but I would be interested in hearing from both sides.

I checked the web and could find no further comments from this group, and I did a pretty thorough search

Again, let's try to keep the arguments down to a dull roar and not insult anybody.

1 posted on 11/14/2004 1:38:05 PM PST by tricky_k_1972
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Space and Science Ping!


2 posted on 11/14/2004 1:38:57 PM PST by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

God is God of the Universe.


3 posted on 11/14/2004 1:40:50 PM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: tricky_k_1972

They can't be serious.


5 posted on 11/14/2004 1:41:06 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: tricky_k_1972

Parody alert!


6 posted on 11/14/2004 1:41:21 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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possible lunatic/parody alert


7 posted on 11/14/2004 1:43:41 PM PST by longshadow
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To: tricky_k_1972
I think the whole idea that people can only be saved on Earth is based on a misreading of Scripture...

"Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess" is pretty comprehensive...

I suggest that limited thinking is going on here.. God is the God of all things: time and space themselves are just created things..

"If I go up into the heavens, thou art there" (the words of David in Psalms)
9 posted on 11/14/2004 1:44:33 PM PST by Acrobat (Go Dino... rararararararara)
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To: tricky_k_1972

staggering abysmal idiocy.


11 posted on 11/14/2004 1:47:07 PM PST by King Prout (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: tricky_k_1972

See this link: http://www.holyobserver.com/detail.php?sec=main&page=the_truth
THO Home
The Truth


We at The Holy Observer want to let you in on a little secret: we are all really serious about Christianity. We cling to our faith in the one triune God and affirm the classic Christian consensus—those essentials of the faith that have been believed by all Christians, everywhere, and stated best in documents such as the Apostle's Creed.

That said, we are acutely aware of two facts that drive the content on this site:

1. Laughter is good for the soul.
2. Satire is an appropriate way—and maybe one of the better ways—to comment on the state of Christianity as it is believed and practiced today.

Christians, at times, take themselves too seriously! We can poke fun at the idiosyncrasies that we all have without crossing the line into sacrilege. Just because Christ and the Holy Bible are sacred, doesn't mean that everything that humans do in the name of Christianity is sacred. Every other belief or ideal that we hold apart from our religion has always been open game. We poke fun at politics, our jobs, and even our families. It's healthy. It helps us point out the inconsistencies and ridiculousness in our lives in a lighthearted and constructive way. The same should be true for our religious practices. We are human, and our practice of religion is imperfect, just as we all are imperfect. Pointing that out in a good-natured, lighthearted way is not sacrilegious. In fact, it's constructive. So read our articles looking for the message behind the jab, and have a good laugh. We hope that it helps you take yourself a little less seriously.

One common misconception about this type of humor is that it fosters disunity and animosity among Christians of different traditions and worship styles. Ironically, much of our content that is accused of this is actually designed in a way that we believe brings to light some of the ridiculous presumptions and stereotypes that are the premises of the text. That is, the attacker many times ends up looking more ignorant than the attacked—which is probably the case with many of the issues that cause real division within the church. We fully support the prayer of Christ where he calls all believers to be one "so that the world may believe" (John 17).

On the other hand, we also believe it is reasonable to question and criticize certain behaviors, beliefs, and practices of supposed Christians. God surely gives each of us grace to cover our theological shortcomings, but part of our conversation with God and others must include a humble analysis of differing belief systems.

Ultimately, the actions of any individual can be unhealthy if the motivation is not based on godly ideals. Our intention (besides our intention to make you laugh) is not to harm, but to provoke thought and to keep the human aspects of our relationship with God in proper perspective. We cannot emphasize enough the gravity and seriousness of dealing rightly with the eternal verities of life.

We love Jesus; we love our religion; and we love the church, despite of all its gaffes and blunders (after all, we are all only human!). Thanks for laughing along with us, and hopefully we will all "go on from grace to grace" (to quote John Wesley) and make this world a better place while we're all here together.

Sincerely,

THO Staff


12 posted on 11/14/2004 1:47:19 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: tricky_k_1972
they have cool tee shirts, too:


13 posted on 11/14/2004 1:48:44 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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Can we insult Bush for this lame attempt at keeping the U.S. (government-sponsored) manned space program alive?


14 posted on 11/14/2004 1:50:19 PM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: tricky_k_1972

We have to remember that the Bible was written for peoples living in ancient times. They needed a simple message which related to the environment around them. Guess there are those that want to limit His sovereignty to this planet. What happened to the belief that he was the ORIGINAL CAUSE? There are good pious people who believe every letter of the Word. That's ok. There are other good pious people who are more selective. That's ok, too.
We shouldn't take offense if some people have to see things on a smaller scale. Even in the polytheistic societies, there was always ONE GOD more potent/revered than the others.
Hopefully in another incarnation we'll see things a bit more
clearly. Pity the poor individual who HAS to know all now!


16 posted on 11/14/2004 1:51:49 PM PST by Grendel9
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God's domain is not limited to earth. People must remember that Christianity, as well as the other two Abrahamic religions, are REVEALED RELIGIONS. When revealed, they were written in a fashion suited to that time period; If the New Testament, for example, refered to extraterrestrial human life, nobody would understand it. God only reveals what needs to be reavealed, and people need to understand that.


17 posted on 11/14/2004 1:52:00 PM PST by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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It's a parody article. The Holy Observer is a website similar to The Onion, only with less porn stars. One of it's cover stories a few months ago was about a radio station trying to attract the untapped Amish market, not realizing the Amish don't have radios to listen to.
18 posted on 11/14/2004 1:53:01 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Isa 65:17

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:11

We need to get out there and find the new earth.

19 posted on 11/14/2004 1:53:06 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: tricky_k_1972

This is George Bush's fault (spoken in a dull roar tone of voice).


20 posted on 11/14/2004 1:53:08 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

How little faith these people have...

God is god of all things.


22 posted on 11/14/2004 1:56:35 PM PST by DB (©)
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These clowns don't know God's Word! How about all of these bible verses?

Matthew 24:30-31
Mark 13:26-27
John 10:14-16

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

God's elect will be everywhere. The last of these verses (John 10:14-16) even seems to allow the possibility for elect on other planets that we don't even know about.

23 posted on 11/14/2004 1:59:41 PM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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Luther was a good egg. He pointed out that he could talk directly with God, and so could everybody. That ought to work anywhere in the universe. Nobody is going to escape from His mind just by moving to the Asteroid Belt.


25 posted on 11/14/2004 1:59:59 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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This is actually the basis of Bush's illegal immigrant amnesty plan - those hard-working Mexicans can do the jobs that Americans don't want to do - on Mars. All of nasa's tests indicate that illegal Mexicans will work as hard in space, and on non-earth planets, as they do on earth. Let us reap this wonderful bounty of work and cheap labor.


27 posted on 11/14/2004 2:03:10 PM PST by searchandrecovery (The election results still makes me happy.)
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These are the same people who punished Galileo.


28 posted on 11/14/2004 2:05:04 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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