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To: jude24
it is obvious that the Authorized Version is the last English Bible; that is, the last English Bible that God "authorized." Bull. The Church of England authorized the AV. Yeah, that's right: a church founded so a lecherous king could get a divorce. Yeah, the one that just decided that gay priests are a good idea. Riiiiight.... I'm gonna trust them to make the "perfect Bible."

The Church of Enland only authorized the Bible for reading in the Churches.

It got its name the Authorized 1611 due to the authority it obtained in all the Christian churches.

What you don't want to do is obey any Bible, that is why you never state which Bible is your final authority.

Funny, how NIV and NASB users do not seem to love their bibles like the King James believers do theirs?

Maybe its because we know our is pure (Psa.119:140)

As for the apostasy in the churches, do you know one major denomination that is not going apostate? (Rev.3)

The Church of England long ago gave up their King James Bibles for the modern versions, hence the rise in apostasy!

Also, did I ping you on this?

So, when the anti-King James crowd starts ranting and raving about my posts, remember it is you that is coming on the threads with your violent reaction to the truth.

7 posted on 08/25/2003 1:02:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
What you don't want to do is obey any Bible, that is why you never state which Bible is your final authority.

Frankly, that is crap.

I have said it before: I accept any (reasonable) translation, but only the Greek and Hebrew are the authoritative.

That's a far cry from having no Bible be my authority.

Funny, how NIV and NASB users do not seem to love their bibles like the King James believers do theirs?

That, too, is crap. I love the Bible very much... ask anyone who has much contact with me.

The Church of England long ago gave up their King James Bibles for the modern versions, hence the rise in apostasy!

I may be public-school educated, but I can point out the gaping logical fallacy here: post hoc ergo propter hoc. That is, "after that, therefore because of it." Just because something happens after the introduction of new versions (the CoE goes apostate) does not prove that the new versions were repsonsible.

Also, did I ping you on this?

No, but I am not going to let you and your rabble go by unchallanged. A KJV-onlyist like you deceived me when I was in High School -- may God judge me if I allow you to do it to someone else.

8 posted on 08/25/2003 1:20:22 PM PDT by jude24 ("Moods change. Truth does not." -- Ravi Zacharias)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"As for the apostasy in the churches, do you know one major denomination that is not going apostate? (Rev.3)

The Church of England long ago gave up their King James Bibles for the modern versions, hence the rise in apostasy!"
AMEN! The apostacy of the C of E and its American, African, Canadian and Australian conterparts can be traced back to Hort and Westcott and their revision committee.

"So, when the anti-King James crowd starts ranting and raving about my posts, remember it is you that is coming on the threads with your violent reaction to the truth."
AMEN!!! The Bible bashers call us sweaty, bug-eyed fanatics yet THEY are the ones who cover their ears and say "Don't bother me with facts."


24 posted on 08/25/2003 7:13:21 PM PDT by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration
It got its name the Authorized 1611 due to the authority it obtained in all the Christian churches.

Except of course, the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, and since then, many other Protestant sects. But I guess by your logic, those groups are not Christians for not accepting the primacy of the KJV translation (as circular an argument as I've ever seen).

Funny, how NIV and NASB users do not seem to love their bibles like the King James believers do theirs?

There's a difference between loving our Bibles and fixating and obsessing, and in a way, worshipping our Bibles. And besides, it truly seems that you love "your" Bible, and not what's actually in it. Just the name of the KJV and it's style of prose, not what it says.

Most of us choose to love the words in the Bible, and even more importantly, the Trinitarian God behind it.

Maybe its because we know our is pure (Psa.119:140)

And ours isn't? You don't know how cultic you sound here, with your exclusive and elitist attitude.

As for the apostasy in the churches, do you know one major denomination that is not going apostate? (Rev.3)

All of the Protestant sects started apostate. Every apostate move since then is irrelevant.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches remain true, even if individuals or organized groups within these sects have gone apostate (which is nothing new anyway, since ever since two individuals in these groups have disagreed, usually one of them has gone apostate).

The Church of England long ago gave up their King James Bibles for the modern versions, hence the rise in apostasy! Logical fallacy. Just because event B happened after event A does not mean event A caused event B.
31 posted on 08/25/2003 8:47:59 PM PDT by Conservative til I die (They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
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