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>>>You say you need government to protect your rights to work...

I never said anything like that. But I do prefer a society based on law and order, to a society based on the libertarian standards of anything goes, as in chaos and anarchy.

>>>A libertarian society is a hard society with hard people--like the US under the Articles of Confederation.

Libertarians are hard headed, inflexible individuals who cherish a world without government, thus enabling them every oppotunity to run wild and cause all manner of problems. Libertarains believe in open borders and unlimited immigration, the legalization of all drugs and prostitution. And libertarians support dismantling America's criminal justice system and its military capabilities for defense, protection and security of its citizens. I think thats a prescription for failure and ultimately would see an end to the United States of America. The Founding Fathers had nothing like that in mind for the American people and the future of our Constitutional Republic.

Everytime I see a subject like this, I think to myself, "well, here's an issue that Rs and the LP can finally see eye-to-eye on." Everytime, I'm wrong.

I know that in reality, the Rs love Big Government as much as the Ds, but in theory, at least, they are supposed to support a platform of autonomy and states' rights.

So why is it here you don't support the LP's stance that CA should be free to make laws concerning CA? And when the Feds infringe upon the rights of the CA citizens, why shouldn't CA be able to defend itself against the tyranny of the Fed?

I think two things: I think most Rs are fine with states' rights as long as the states exercise those rights consistent with the Rs personal moral spectrum. In this case, drugs sort of rub the Rs the wrong way, so states' rights go out the window. I also think that the Rs have some sort of self-confidence issue so that whenever the LP makes a statement, many Rs immediately distant themselves from it, no matter WHAT that statement is.

This is an issue that Rs and libertarians should agree on 100%--CA can make laws according to the wishes of its legislature, so long as those laws fall within the framework of the Constitution.

Libertarians are hard headed, inflexible individuals who cherish a world without government, thus enabling them every oppotunity to run wild and cause all manner of problems.

This is simply factually untrue, and indicates that you are speaking about libertarianism w/out knowing a thing about it.

Libertarains believe in open borders and unlimited immigration, the legalization of all drugs and prostitution.

Some do, yes.

And libertarians support dismantling America's criminal justice system and its military capabilities for defense, protection and security of its citizens.

Again, this is simply untrue. Please cite your sources for this information, especially in light of you claiming to be familiar with what libertarians believe.

I think thats a prescription for failure and ultimately would see an end to the United States of America. The Founding Fathers had nothing like that in mind for the American people and the future of our Constitutional Republic.

Nor did they have in mind anything that even remotely resembles the gov't we see today.

Libertarains believe in open borders and unlimited immigration,

Some do I don't.

the legalization of all drugs and prostitution.

Yes the government does not have any good reason to be involved in either of those let the addicts kill themselves and the gals make a living on something besides welfare

And libertarians support dismantling America's criminal justice system and its military capabilities for defense, protection and security of its citizens.

Lies libertarians see the courts and military as legitimate function of government though I think the current court system needs a total overhaul.

the legalization of all drugs and prostitution.

What's wrong with legalized prostitution? Rich celebrities, executives, and politicians already have their call girls and mistresses -- and the cops look the other way. Laws against prostitution are yet another discriminatory and hypocritical law, aimed at the poor and lower classes. Same as drug laws.

You have a lot of upper middle class parents screaming for laws against drugs -- until their brats get busted, at which point they want special treatment.

Why does the federal government even allow the states to pass these contrary state laws?

Are they the feds somehow forced to allow states to pass them?

Why dosen't the federal government declare the California law a nullity?

Thanks in advance,

Libertarians are hard headed, inflexible individuals who cherish a world without government,

Lie number 1

And libertarians support dismantling America's criminal justice system and its military capabilities for defense, protection and security of its citizens.

Lie number 2

The Founding Fathers had nothing like that in mind for the American people and the future of our Constitutional Republic.

The founders had a vision of a small unintrusive government. Totally at odds with the current situation and also the vision of many of the authoritarians found here.