[Reagan Man]

>>>Government is not the source of civilized society.

RIGHT! Government is an off shoot, of civilized society. It is part of our civilized society. Liberatarians are opposed to government and are generally opposed to civilized society too. Libertarians would be very satisfied if mankind returned to the jungle mentality and survival of the fittest. Liberatraians lack the intellectual and emotional capacity to live in an organzied existence and an orderly society, where the rule of law limits their desire for chaotic behavior.

>>>...the increasing social breakdown which you see all around you...

I don't see the level of social breakdown you libertarians see. I happen to live in the blue area.

[SteamshipTime]

Why do you go to work, maintain your property, and nurture your children? I am certain it is not because of government. You say you need government to protect your rights to work, property and family but in fact, government encroaches on every single one of those rights and, by its actions, jeopardizes your very enjoyment of them. Thanks to government, people are relieved of the consequences of failing to work, maintain their property, and nurture their children.

A libertarian society is a hard society with hard people--like the US under the Articles of Confederation.

[Commie Basher]

That famed electoral map is misleading. Alaska is huge, and it has, what, 500,000 people? L.A. County is a little red sqaure, and it has some 15,000,000 people.

Besides which, both Bush and Gore are socialists, so the reds and blues voted for the same thing.