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In the Light of the Law ^ | Oct 22, 2019 | Edward Peters

[DoodleBob]

Well, skipping the theft bit...

...if we want to discuss "better" ways of dealing with these horrible statues vs a bath, I have several ideas: carving them into proper Marian statues and returning them while burning the whittle, turning them into a box for people to deposit donations for the poor, or as a scraper for country Churches' parisohners to remove refuse like cow dung from their shoes before entering the Church.

THOSE choices would likely be MORE effective because these modern guys can handle being called names and being subjected to Dubia etc....but they don't like to be ridiculed. Remember how well this was received?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh, Bullshirt x 3. You'd pretty much have to be a hallucinating paranoid schizophrenic, a person with global cognitive and developmental delays, or an ignorant sectarian critic, to think that people pray "to" statues.

No more than wife 2000 miles distant from her deployed soldier husband, kisses the husband's photo and says "I miss you, darling" because she thinks the photo "is" him, or it "hears" her.

Maybe Skype is a different story.

I have heard of a certain kind of devotee putting their hands on their TV screen to pick up some Pentecostal juju from a supposed god-empowered entrepreneur, but there are idiots in every denomination.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Executioner" is a bit tendentious.

"Custodian" is a better word. Custodians do take out the rash.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I’m interested in that picture but it didn’t come through. Could you check to see if there was some error in the way you formatted it, and try it again?

[Campion]

And no one prayed to the Ark of the Covenant either

In the very next post, you say:

IF one bows before, pray to the image, relies upon the image, etc...it's an idol.

You need to acquaint yourself a little better with what the Ark of the Covenant was and how it was treated. It was considered to be the holiest object on earth, and the room in which it was kept was so holy that only one man could enter it, and that only one day a year. When he did, he burnt incense and prostrated himself before it according to a very specific ritual from which he was not permitted to depart at all. The Jews considered that the very presence of God on earth, the "shekinah" or "glory cloud," rested on top of it. By your wackadoodle definition, that makes it an idol times about 20.

unlike Roman Catholics and their idols they claim to be Mary.

That sounds a lot like calumny to me. I know a lot of Catholics, and I don't know any who pray to images or think that an image of Mary is really Mary.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

veneration and idol worship... How many commandments do you break in one act here?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ha, I thought that was da bomb! Translation:

“Oy Frankie, you have emasculated Congregations, suspended priests, decapitated the Order of Malta and the Franciscans of the Immaculate, ignored Cardinals...But where is your mercy?

[ebb tide]

See what happens when you don’t caucus a thread.

They come crawling out of their dark crevices like cockroaches.

[Campion]

Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing

As any Jew can explain to you, the problem is not with "making a graven thing," but with making an image of a false god.

Which is why, based at least on my discussions with them, they have no problem with Catholics having images of Mary, or St. Francis, or St. Therese of Lisieux ... because we don't believe any of them to be God, or "gods", or anything like that.

They have a big problem with Catholic images of Jesus, precisely because we do consider him to be God. But so do you.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh wait-— thanks -—the picture just became visible on my screen. Was it a problem on your end, or is it that my old ‘puter is getting as old and slow as I am?

[Campion]

I don't know, but if you're judging people wrongly, you're breaking the commandment against bearing false witness.

Funny how Protestants claim "all sins are equally bad" which would make *your* bearing false witness just as bad as *my* idolatry, wouldn't it?

[MHGinTN]

The Apostles didn’t teach the ‘veneration’ of the Mother of Jesus either, but tradition inserts the idols of Mary in most Catholic churches.

[ealgeone]

You need to acquaint yourself a little better with what the Ark of the Covenant was and how it was treated. It was considered to be the holiest object on earth, and the room in which it was kept was so holy that only one man could enter it, and that only one day a year. When he did, he burnt incense and prostrated himself before it according to a very specific ritual from which he was not permitted to depart at all. The Jews considered that the very presence of God on earth, the "shekinah" or "glory cloud," rested on top of it. By your wackadoodle definition, that makes it an idol times about 20.

They weren't praying to the ark however. They didn't invoke the name of the ark as Roman Catholics invoke prayers to Mary, etc.

>>unlike Roman Catholics and their idols they claim to be Mary.<<

That sounds a lot like calumny to me. I know a lot of Catholics, and I don't know any who pray to images or think that an image of Mary is really Mary.

Of course no RC is going to admit this idolatry. Ya'll have been told it's "ok".

[ealgeone]

Not sure how the post is wrong. All pictures of RCs bowing before idols of Mary.

[Campion]

Appeal to Scripture as authority and not tradition - noted.

Scripture is tradition; that part of tradition that was committed to writing in Apostolic times.

[Campion]

The Apostles didn’t teach the ‘veneration’ of the Mother of Jesus either

Assumes facts not in evidence. We know that prayers addressed to Mary appear as early as the 2nd century.

idols of Mary

An idol is an image of a false god, which Mary is not.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Scripture is tradition

Nah.

Scripture is inspired and is the Words of God.

There are no inspired "traditions" not found in Scripture.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You'd pretty much have to be a hallucinating paranoid schizophrenic, a person with global cognitive and developmental delays, or an ignorant sectarian critic, to think that people pray "to" statues.

Sorry but you can't prove it.

That is just an assertion.

Stop criticizing Catholics. The hate has to stop!

[Campion]

They weren't praying to the ark however.

You said bowing was sufficient. According to you guys, bowing in front of an image is sufficient to make one an idolater; that's what that picture a few posts above shows. By your own definition, the High Priest in the Old Covenant was commanded by God to commit idolatry.

Make up your mind.