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Whatever that was, it wasn’t a ‘stunt’ (Jiffy Pachamama Removal Service)
In the Light of the Law ^ | Oct 22, 2019 | Edward Peters

Posted on 10/22/2019 1:32:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

A few days ago men removed some female figurines (centerpieces for several weird ceremonies in Rome the last few weeks) from a church and tossed them into the Tiber River. Vatican spokesman Paolo Ruffini dismissed the act as a “stunt”. Regardless of how one assess this act, however, I think it not accurate to describe it as a mere “stunt”.

A “stunt” is a gesture that calls attention to a problem but does not itself solve the problem. For example, chaining oneself to a lamppost could call attention to the plight of the unjustly imprisoned but does not itself free the imprisoned. Standing on the corner with one’s mouth duct-taped might call attention to the suffering of the voiceless but does not itself give them a voice. Such acts are stunts, good stunts or bad, but in the end, stunts. What the Tiber men did was different.

Removing these figures from a church and tossing them into the Tiber does not simply call attention to the problem of setting up such objects in a church it also removes the statues from the church and thus solves the problem of having them set up in a sacred place. Such an act, good act or bad, is more than a “stunt”, it is form of direct action against a problem.

The Vatican having ruled out the possibility that the nude statues might represent the Virgin Mary or ‘Our Lady of the Amazon’, it is disputed whether the figurines portray the Amazon pagan goddess Pachamama or (at least per a handful of Vaticanisti) merely some vague “life force”. It is not for me to opine on who or what the objects actually represent and if someone wants to argue that chanting to and bowing before figurines of naked women does not count as worshiping strange gods, well, who am I to say?

But a fuller assessment of the act of these two men does not rest solely on whether the figures are demonic or merely faddish. Canon 1210, addressing the dignity of Catholic holy places in general, states: “Only those things which serve the exercise or promotion of worship, piety, or religion are permitted in a sacred place; anything not consonant with the holiness of the place is forbidden…” And Canon 1220 § 1, addressing churches specifically, states: “All those responsible are to take care that in churches such cleanliness and beauty are preserved as befit a house of God and that whatever is inappropriate to the holiness of the place is excluded.”

Theses canons, in my view, do not simply preclude the placement of obviously demonic or pagan artifacts in our churches, but rather, require those in charge of sacred places to set up objects that are positively conducive to Christian prayer and worship. If, as the Congregation for Divine worship stated in 1987(*), the mere fact that that some music is admittedly beautiful does not justify its performance in churches, then all the more so should church authorities be on guard against setting up objects widely and reasonably seen as representing pagan deities in Catholic sacred spaces. I suggest (and more to the point, the Code of Canon Law understands in, say, Canon 214), that the faithful have the right to trust that what they see in Catholic sacred places is actually there in service to the sacred and is not simply a gesture toward some form of political correctness or the latest cause du jour, to say nothing of it possibly being simply evil. Ignoring concerns about the proper use of sacred space with a shrug and a ‘we don’t really know what it is’ is to ignore the positive duties that Church leadership owes to the faithful.

As a man of law I am also a man of order and, as a rule, I hold that removing objects from private property is not an act of good order. But then, neither is setting up idols (whether to demons or to secular causes) in Catholic churches an act of good order. Over time the disregard of law by those in charge eventually brings about disregard of law by those subject to it. And that in turn can result in acts that are much more than mere “stunts”.

* See Cong. for Divine Worship (Mayer), excerpt from let. “Qua in mentem quaedam normae quoad ‘Concerti nelle chiesa’ revocantur” (05 nov 1987), Communicationes 19 (1987) 179-181.


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To: aMorePerfectUnion

...Oral tradition...

I see what you did there; Buster!


181 posted on 10/23/2019 9:50:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DesertRhino
I have an idea that in the olden days, the people of the village expressed disapproval in ways that provoked laughter.

1 Samuel 25:22

182 posted on 10/23/2019 9:52:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here ya go!

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183 posted on 10/23/2019 9:53:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DoodleBob

I just had a requiem for Grumpy Cat


184 posted on 10/23/2019 9:55:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
No more than wife 2000 miles distant from her deployed soldier husband, kisses the husband's photo and says "I miss you, darling" because she thinks the photo "is" him, or it "hears" her.

Hell; Rome's Mary doesn't even kiss her HUSBAND!


Whereas I can pretty much bet that Jesus' mother DID!

185 posted on 10/23/2019 9:56:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Refresh the page.

It came thru for me the first time.


186 posted on 10/23/2019 9:58:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
See what happens when you don’t caucus a thread.

Well; check your daily caucus threads and see if THEY get 48 replies!!

(I see this one is over a hundred by now!)

187 posted on 10/23/2019 10:01:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Ya'll have been told it's "ok".

We were just following orders.

188 posted on 10/23/2019 10:02:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Campion
Assumes facts not in evidence.

Ha ha!

Rome CLAIMS facts not in; you know!

Judy Tenuta says, "It could happen!"

189 posted on 10/23/2019 10:03:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don’t think I’m “saved by works.”

But; do you think you are saved Right Now??

190 posted on 10/23/2019 10:05:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lurker

That Song of Solomon has some pretty racy imagery in it!


191 posted on 10/23/2019 10:06:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
Where are you getting this mistaken idea?

Well; for staters; the Bible.

The Book that Rome compiled; fails to include a lot of the stuff that Rome teaches

192 posted on 10/23/2019 10:08:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

And it includes some stuff that Rome fails to obey.


193 posted on 10/23/2019 10:08:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Do you believe you must be baptized to obtain eternal life?

She'll just come back and ask:

"Do you PROTS believe you must be baptized PROPERLY to obtain eternal life?"

194 posted on 10/23/2019 10:10:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
If you are using the kjv you do not have a complete Bible nor the complete word of God.

"I fixed that for you guys!"


195 posted on 10/23/2019 10:12:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
It shows there was error in the early church already.

Heck; the Book Rome assembled shows that in the first three chapters of the last included Revelation from John!


It's a good thing that the WARNING was included about adding or removing; or I'd bet GOOD money those seven church messages would have been 'lost' somewhere.

196 posted on 10/23/2019 10:18:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

FR needs MORE of these ‘viruses’!

At least that’s what the wife says.

I managed to scratch off more items from the honeydew list today than ever!


197 posted on 10/23/2019 10:20:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; teppe; fproy2222; Normandy
#195 You'll notice that GOD did not get JS to include the Apocrypha into the Inspired Version!
198 posted on 10/23/2019 10:24:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I am in a state of grace. And I am fasting (teeny-tiny little ridiculous wimp of a fast) before Communion, 'cuz I'm singing at the 8:30 Mass. Lord Have Mercy, you know!

A tagline to the wise is sufficient.

199 posted on 10/24/2019 4:53:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.)
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To: Elsie

“That Song of Solomon has some pretty racy imagery in it!”

It sure does.

L


200 posted on 10/24/2019 5:36:01 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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