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To: Ken H

We are not speaking of the rate of violence throughout all of a nation or a continent, but in specific racial or ethnic groups. I am comparing crime in low-income urban populations, black and white, in the US and UK. Both populations are disproportionately violent and dysfunctional, and both populations are the recipients of misguided left-liberal policies. My premise is that leftist policies have had the same negative effect on both groups and that it is this effect, not some innate genetic flaw, that makes both groups produce a higher number of nonproductive and/or violent individuals than the rest of the population.

If you do not accept that left-liberal policies have had a deleterious effect on these groups, to what would you ascribe their greater tendency to crime, violence, addiction, pregnancy, and other dysfunctions? It’s certainly not racial in origin, since we see the same phenomena in white lower-class Britons as in black lower-class Americans.


42 posted on 10/10/2012 8:30:42 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ottbmare
I would like to see the numbers for murder among low-income whites v blacks in the UK. Your contention seems at odds with Tony Blair's remarks and the statement from the Home Office minister back in 2007:

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Blair blames spate of murders on black culture

· Political correctness not helping, says PM
· Community leaders react angrily to comments

Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.

One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.

Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".

It needed to be addressed by a tailored counter-attack in the same way as football hooliganism was reined in by producing measures aimed at the specific problem, rather than general lawlessness.

Mr Blair's remarks are at odds with those of the Home Office minister Lady Scotland, who told the home affairs select committee last month that the disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system was a function of their disproportionate poverty, and not to do with a distinctive black culture.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/apr/12/ukcrime.race

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43 posted on 10/10/2012 9:16:20 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ottbmare
From The Telegraph, June 26, 2010...

Violent inner-city crime, the figures, and a question of race

The official figures, which examine the ethnicity of those accused of violent offences in London, suggest the majority of men held responsible by police for gun crimes, robberies and street crimes are black.

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The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.

They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.

Just over 12 per cent of London’s 7.5 million population is black, including those of mixed black and white parentage, while 69 per cent is white, according to the Office for National Statistics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

44 posted on 10/10/2012 11:20:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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