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To: Vermont Lt

Are you aware that the ‘Emancipation Proclamation’ freed exactly zero slaves under the control of the Union? (If not, I suggest you read it. The EP is clear and concise.)

Slavery was legal and in practice in the Union at the beginning and end of the civil war.

(’Stay in our group, or we will kill you’ - is a statement of power and control.)


73 posted on 07/07/2012 7:18:22 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

I never suggested the EP freed anyone in the north. Slavery was abolished in my state when we adopted our constitution in 1780. No wars,. No one got killed.

And I simply cannot understand why none of you can utter the words that slavery was wrong. Without it, there would have been no war.


98 posted on 07/07/2012 8:25:51 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Triple
Are you aware that the ‘Emancipation Proclamation’ freed exactly zero slaves under the control of the Union? (If not, I suggest you read it. The EP is clear and concise.)

Well it didn't actually free the slaves in Confederate controlled areas either, because those areas were under Confederate control. As the Union army advanced, slaves were freed. You had to start somewhere.

But even though slaves in Union-controlled areas were technically not freed by the proclamation, if I'm not mistaken, in the areas the the Union army took back, it had already stopped returning slaves who ran away to their masters, so emancipation was going on behind the scenes with or without the proclamation.

Slavery was legal and in practice in the Union at the beginning and end of the civil war.

Not for much longer. Again, emancipation had to start somewhere, and it was complete by the end of 1865. Would the slaves have happened by that date if the rebellion had succeeded?

(’Stay in our group, or we will kill you’ - is a statement of power and control.)

Hmmm ... where did that come from?

Sounds like something slaves would have been very familiar with. Something those who opposed secession probably heard as well.

The Civil War was a struggle between two governments. It wasn't some struggle of "free men" against government itself.

209 posted on 07/09/2012 10:29:36 AM PDT by x
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