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To: Marie2
There is no actual evidence for evolution.

Do you have any idea how absurd this statement is? Only the hardest of the hardcore Young Earth Creationists who have never, ever taken a basic biology course in their lives and were raised in the church, homeschooled, and barred from television, newspapers and magazines their entire lives can possible believe there "is no actual evidence for evolution." The entire drug industry, the entire farming industry and its attendant industries (ie, pesticide and seed companies), the entire medical industry, the entire medical, pharmaceutical and medical research industries (to name a few) are based upon basic evolutionary principles.

So whether you believe your particular god created those principles or not, the evidence is quite clear to anyone. Including you.

For instance: The fossil record shows no transitory life forms.

Please define what your idea of a "transitory life form" is. Seriously. For someone to discount the near weekly discoveries of "transitional fossils" is borderline insane. Most get no press; only "sexy" ones like this and this make headlines. What's a lungfish? A mudskipper? Heck, what are amphibians in general?

Are you demanding a half chicken, half frog or some nonsensical beast only creationists dream up? Or do you simply say, "Oh, tiktaalik was created and then went extinct and that's that, have a nice day." Or then there's the playground tactic most often employed wherein a creationist views a "transitional" and then demands now the two "transitionals" that came before and after it. Then, when that is discovered, lookee thar! Now there are FOUR gaps to fill! It gets tiring.

There is no example of species becoming other species.

Hand-wave of the year. The tactic here, when shown one of the tens of thousands of examples is to either a) define "species" as creationists see fit to comply with their belief or b) call it ID if a scientist did it and then bizarrely surmising ID is an actual theory with merit, or c) shake their heads and say what you said.

We can’t even make it happen when we try, let alone see it happening randomly.

Well, if you want a time lapse movie of speciation, that hasn't happened yet. But maybe someday... like when H5N1 mutated into H1N1 recently, necessitating all sorts of smart people to search for evolutionary reasons.

There are clear examples of cichlid speciation in just a few thousand years when populations are geographically separated. Not fast enough for you? Sorry. There are tons more, but why bother? You want to see a crazy creationist canard speciation event that no one in their right mind would ever say has ever occurred.

You CAN take fossil records and posit billions of years of evolutionary theory out of it. Or, you can take them and see catastrophic flood layers.

True. You can do that, and you can be egregiously, hopelessly, embarrassingly wrong when you do that (re: flood) too. My kid could tell me his cup is blue when it's actually red - and every human who knows their colors and can see color properly agrees it is red - but that doesn't make him right. It makes him wrong... or a creationist.

And I’m not paranoid. I believed in evolution for my first 21 years. It doesn’t freak me out. I just happen to think it is wrong.

And I happen to know it's "right."
88 posted on 05/08/2009 2:00:58 PM PDT by whattajoke (.)
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To: whattajoke; Marie2
"And I happen to know it's "right.""

And mere observation proves me right. All that is needed is a post or two and my theory proves out each and every time.

May I refer the joker to post 80...

89 posted on 05/08/2009 4:45:05 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: whattajoke

“Only the hardest of the hardcore Young Earth Creationists who have never, ever taken a basic biology course in their lives and were raised in the church, homeschooled, and barred from television, newspapers and magazines their entire lives can possible believe there “is no actual evidence for evolution.””

OK, I was raised in public school, with an evolutionist, atheist parent and have been barred from nothing. And there are scientists all over the world, plenty with Phds in Biology as well as all the scientific fields, who are six day creationists. So your statements are really off the charts, there. You are talking as though all degreed scientists oppose six day creation. To which I say: balderdash! Obvious balderdash.

“Please define what your idea of a “transitory life form” is.”

A life form in between one species and another. Say, a half man half ape. Or a partial bird partial dinosaur. There is no fossil record or present day example of any transitory life form. There should be millions were evolutionary theory correct. Take the most obvious: man. Did we spring from gorilla to human without any steps in between? Impossible. There would absolutely be such beings among us, and physical evidence as well. Their absence speaks volumes.

“The entire drug industry, the entire farming industry and its attendant industries (ie, pesticide and seed companies), the entire medical industry, the entire medical, pharmaceutical and medical research industries (to name a few) are based upon basic evolutionary principles.”

I disagree. My son is a BS in Physics, works medical research, nanotechnology, believes in 6 day creation, and does not base any of his experiments/programs on evolutionary biology. There has been no need of it, nor call for it.

No one who believes in six day creation disbelieves that mutations can occur within species. We all know viruses mutate. That doesn’t mean they become frogs. They remain viruses. I can breed cats for all sorts of characteristics. But they remain cats, and they always will.

In re: the cichlids, that was new to me, not being a cutting edge scientist or what have you - but found this response easily:

“These fish specialized to different microhabitats,” explained the University of Maryland’s Karen Carleton, one of the study team members. “The visual system then specialized to the light environment at these depths and the mating colors shifted to match. Once this happened, these two groups no longer interbred and so became new species.”

“In other words, one cichlid species that likely could see both types of light and included all of the possible colors has “evolved” (speciated) into separate species whose senses are limited and who only exhibit certain colors.

So as usual, rather than a case of information-adding evolution (which is required for the molecules-to-man narrative of Darwinism), this is just another observation of natural selection weeding out information as speciation occurs, resulting in organisms that are custom-tailored to their environment but lack the genetic diversity their ancestors had.”

Once again, it’s always a SUBTRACTION of genetic info, not any addition, which is what evolutionary theory is always speculating but never proving. Because that doesn’t happen. You claim to be motivated by factual evidence, but the most critical piece of evolutionary evidence - a missing link, an example of addition of genetic information - is simply nonexistent. Rather than admit that, you seem to be saying, as far as I understand, that amphibians are the missing link between fish and mammals? Not even evolution textbooks teach that.

Look, God is good, He told us how He started things, and there is a world of discovery still to be done as we examine what appears to be an infinite universe. Jesus referred to the creation account as literally true. He knew what He was talking about. He didn’t need a Darwinian Phd to come along and correct His thinking.


91 posted on 05/08/2009 7:03:47 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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