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To: Bokababe
Seems to me that forensics have come a very long way between 1939 and 1993.

Yes, it has. That is why, as noted in the link, by obtaining blood samples from relatives, once you have a dead body to analyze, you can narrow down the DNA ID to a certainty of over 99.9% and final confirmation can be obtained by having the forensic pathologist compare the characteristics of the body with the known characteristics of the person identified by DNA analysis.

But by 1995, we had satellites circling the globe and would know earth while it was being turned, if bodies were being buried. Why is it that twenty years later, with all those supposed "satellite photos" Madelyn Albright waived around at the time, they are still "discovering bodies" if it was that cut and dried?

Did you read the links that were posted?

The mass graves of the bodies initially buried at Srebrenica were immediately identified by U.S. reconnaissance photos. The bodies were later dug up by the Serbs and transferred to other dumping grounds outside of Srebrenica. Those were the "secondary mass grave sites".

How much do you know about the capabilities of "satellites circling the globe"?

Do you believe that U.S. "satellites circling the globe" are taking photos of every square yard of territory on the Planet Earth every day?

No, they are not.

There are a limited number of satellites and a limited number of reconnaissance planes and military decisions have to be made in regards to what real estate constitutes an "area of interest" to be photographed and the rest of the Planet Earth.

Years ago, as I walked down the pier where the U.S. Navy warship I was stationed on was berthed, I daily passed by a ballistic missile submarine that had the doors to its launching tubes opened. They were opened so that Soviet spy satellites could see that they were empty in accordance with the SALT Treaties that the U.S. had signed with the USSR.

That U.S. Naval installation was an "area of interest" for Soviet spy satellites. There must be thousands of photos of my old Datsun 210 in Soviet intelligence archives since I parked a couple of hundred yards away from the piers.

Do you think that Russian spy satellites also keep a daily track of what goes on at Uncle Fred's dairy farm in Sauk County, Wisconsin?

No, they don't.

There is only so much reconnaissance capability to go around and "areas of interest" must chosen.

U.S. Naval Base: Photograph daily.

Srebrenica during the war: Photograh daily.

Uncle Fred's dairy farm in Sauk County, Wisconsin: Forget it.

Uncle Milo's dairy farm in Bosnia many miles away from Srebrenica: Forget it.

If you bury 20,000 bodies in the woods on Uncle Fred's dairy farm in Sauk County, Wisconsin, the Russian spy satellites will never know about it because Uncle Fred's dairy farm in Sauk County, Wisconsin was never photographed by the Russians in the last few years and, even if it was, the forest obscures the graves.

How would the Russians ever know about what was buried at Uncle Fred's dairy farm in Sauk County, Wisconsin?

By relying on HUMINT (HUMan INTelligence) if they ever gained control of Wisconsin.

That is what the Real World is like. Knowing what is happening on every square yard of the Planet is possible only on Star Trek science fiction fantasy.

So, yes, years after the massacre, as HUMINT becomes available or sheer luck finds a grave (as in the Callie Anthony grave) more bodies are discovered.

"Satellites circling the globe" did not find Callie Anthony's grave a quarter mile from her house, did they?

Doesn't take 14 years to follow a satellite photo's diagram for evidence. The whole thing makes no sense to me,

Of course it doesn't make sense. You had the Star Trek science fiction capabilities of an imagined 24th Century confused with the realities of Real World military reconnaissance capabilities of the late 20th Century.

Uncle Milo's farm was never photographed photographed daily by U.S. satellites or scanned by Scotty from the USS Enterprise on the orders of Captain Kirk or Mr. Spock. So, there was no satellite photo evidence to follow to the secondary mass grave until HUMINT or luck led Allied forces to them.

The whole thing makes no sense to me, ....

I hope it makes sense to you now.

16 posted on 01/25/2009 8:58:04 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Bokababe
Here is an article that discusses the issue of "coverage area" (area of interest) in regards to the capabilities of a spy satellite:

Also, practical resolution is limited by the sensors and tradeoffs with coverage area. If the smallest resolution element is 5 cm, a detector array 10,000 elements wide would record a stripe only 500 m wide. That would be acceptable for a high-value target, but not for routine imaging.

In order words, when getting high quality images for intelligence, the area that the satellite can cover is only 500 meters (546 yards) wide. That means that the operators must make a choice where to aim the satellite's mirror and the area covered will only be approximately four and a half football fields wide, including end-zones.

Imagine how many football fields wide all of Bosnia is.

You can't image ALL of Bosnia in high resolution by satellite. You have to pick certain very defined areas and you have to pick them during each orbit of the satellite. As a matter of fact, the satellite capabilities are so limited that the "primary mass graves" (the graves where the victims were first buried before they were dug up and reburied in "secondary graves" away from Srebrenica) were obtained by U.S. spy planes flying over Srebrenica and not by satellites.

After the bodies are moved away from Srebrenica to be reburied out in the boonies, where do aim your cameras at? Where would you aim your cameras to photograph where Jimmy Hoffa ended up. As of two months ago, where would you have aimed your cameras to photograph where Callie Anthony was buried?

If you increase the area of coverage, the resolution drops and the images are worthless for intelligence although they can be used for mapping.

You can see the difference in these images on "Google Earth". The "high value targets" in the big cities have high resolution images where, if you live in Miami Beach or Manhattan, you can see your blue car parked in the street. At "low value targets" such as small towns, no high resolution images are available and, in those images, the entire small town is nothing but a blur.

17 posted on 01/26/2009 8:45:01 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Bokababe

Srebrenica & Gorazde, plus Katyn false analogies.
Poly takes a gargantuan leap of faith to imagine that farmers in Byelorussia knew nothing or could know nothing of the passage of 15,000 POWS marching under the guns of thousands of NKVD troops to the places of execution, the digging and covering of graves, the shooting in their fields over many days. Keeping with Poly’s classicizing proclivities, it’s an Olympian stretch to believe that the locals didn’t tell German soldiers well before the Reich made its timely announcement of a “discovery”.

General Michael Rose inspected Gorazde, which was headline stuff in April 1994, while I was in eastern Bosnia. He caustically remarked that the “DO SOMETHING” and “mass slaughter” headlines were fake, that the damage to Gorazde could be cleaned up with a few brooms. — Doubt my veracity? It’s wise always to keep a grain or two of salt handy in exchanges like this. Check out GOOGLE on GORAZDE + ROSE + BROOM. -—I’ll bet the world has largely forgotten about this “humanitarian catastrophe”.

In the Hearstian “reporting” a florid image was those heroic ham radio operators (old Bosnian Muslim institution) hunkered down, calling out their desperate SOSs. —BTW, where are they now? Maybe Poly could interview them for us. What a great read it would be. Might get a Pulitzer Prize, like the hoaxters Gutman and Rohde.

MISSING AND UNACCOUNTED FOR — KATYN. As Polish officers were released, they reported to General Anders. But there was a massive number missing and unaccounted for. This could have only one explanation: mass executions. They never showed up again.

MISSING & ACCOUNTED FOR. But Srebrenica’s missing Muslim soldiers DID show up again. They were positively accounted for by the Red Cross, UN and news reporters such as Chris Hedges NYT and plenty of others. Their withdrawal had even been ordered by Izetbegovic on radio en clair. They showed up again, in their thousands, in Muslim-controlled Tuzla (where the US military was in charge). Take this witrh the mandatory granum salis and GOOGLE: SREBRENICA + MISSING + TUZLA.

PS - TUZLA. This city is named with the Turkish word for “salt [mine]”. That’s how it happens to have a big chemical industry. The city was multi-ethnic before the war, before federal Yugoslavia was dismantled under the lead of revanchiste Germany collaborating with Bush 41-Baker-Clinton humanitarian bombers to do the dirty work. German actions in previous wars in the Balkans left an unforunate odor.
I know Christians (Serbs) who were imprisoned or hid behind locked doors in Tuzla. The fathers of the families were chemical engineers. The Christians were released at long last in a prisoner “exchange”, women and girls, separated from their menfolk for Muslim soldiers. One of the fathers told me that he had been tipped off by Muslim and Croat co-workers on his shift that he was on a hit-list of Serbs to be murdered. The Muslim and the Catholic friends drove the Serb Orthodox man out of the city to safety. Along the way they passed bodies of hundreds of machine-gunned and fragged Yugoslav army soldiers, unarmed, in a long column of burning military vehicles, ambushed with RPGs by the Muslim Freedom Fighters. —Was the battlefield so tightly controlled that the world was kept in the dark? Or did the presstitutes keep the reports off page 1? GOOGLE:
TUZLA + ARMY + AMBUSH.

The Yugoslav army garrisons of Tuzla and Sarajevo had negotiated with the Islamic authorities for safe evacuation to Serbia nearby. This was just before the Muslim Bread Q massacre of early May 1992. The Q story was announced the same evening, with no time lag, unlike Srebrenica —by Bush 41, though privately he told his cabinet men and their wives “the Serbs didn’t do it!’. For bloody details GOOGLE: TUZLA + ARMY + AMBUSH.


18 posted on 01/26/2009 9:15:00 AM PST by maher (m)
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