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Juan Manuel Alvarez, man who caused yesterday's multiple train derailment, is a U.S. citizen
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ^ | 1/27/05 | Troy Anderson, Staff Writer

Posted on 01/27/2005 12:12:56 PM PST by Wolfstar

Alvarez's estranged wife said he threatened her and her family and threatened to abduct their 3-year-old son, although he never physically assaulted her, according to a request for a temporary restraining order that was granted Dec. 14, The Associated Press reported.

"He threatened to take our kid away and to hurt my family members," Carmelita Alvarez said. "He is planning on selling his vehicle to buy a gun and threatened to use it. He is using drugs and has been in and out of rehab twice."

[SNIP]

Alvarez, a U.S. citizen, watched as the train barreled into his SUV shortly after 6 a.m.

"He was found right at the scene," [Glendale Police Chief Randy] Adams said. "The suspect has admitted placing his vehicle on the tracks."

[SNIP]

U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman Thom Mrozek said there is potential federal jurisdiction with a possible death penalty in the case.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aliens; alvarez; blc; california; derailment; glendale; immmigrantlist; juanmanuel; loco; metrolink; train; unionpacific
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To: Strategerist
Boy, this is a frustrating one for FR. Not a Muslim terrorist, not an illegal. Guess people could hold out hope he's gay.

Nominated for Post of the Day.

101 posted on 01/27/2005 1:01:38 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: moehoward
Why fourth generation? Why stop there?

Why not just say that if a forebear wasn't a citizen as of, oh, 1781, then you aren't an American?

102 posted on 01/27/2005 1:01:42 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: hushpad
Maybe he's a citizen, but was he BORN here? I doubt it.

At the risk of violating a corollary of Godwin's Law, McVeih was home-grown, wasn't he? Or do you think Timbo was set up? You might check your tinfoil hat - it must be leaking.

103 posted on 01/27/2005 1:01:56 PM PST by naturalized (Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking.)
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To: Wolfstar

I figured he was - a citizen. Let's face it depression, numerous suicide attempts, etc.--those are American past times. Found particularly in democrats.


104 posted on 01/27/2005 1:04:12 PM PST by riri
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To: Wolfstar

Not really. Just want to know on what information this reporter is basing this. It is not included in the story.


105 posted on 01/27/2005 1:05:00 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Wolfstar
Why is nobody besides me thinking that this savage will cop a temp insanity.

JUSTICE IN AMERICA??? PULEEEEEZE!

It's already being setup.

deranged individual who was suicidal

It's a done deal

106 posted on 01/27/2005 1:05:33 PM PST by America's Resolve (awarforeurabia.blogspot.com - Watching the war for Europe)
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To: Wolfstar

"The court ordered Alvarez to stay away from his wife until further notice and not to leave Los Angeles County with children, the AP reported."

WOW!! That judge was a real genius!!!!! His court order kept him away from his family all right.

What angers me beyond words is the cavalier attitude the courts take toward potentially dangerous lunatics like this nutjob. This walking time bomb with such a long history of threats, violence and mental instability should have been locked up in a padded cell somewhere long before this happened.

As an aside, anyone who checks my postings KNOWS I am an outspoken opponent of illegal invaders and Bush's flawed immigration schemes.

However, if the guy's last name was O'Higgins, Romano, or Kowalski, would his citizenship have been under question??

Besides a lunatic is a lunatic and those poor people on the train are just as dead now as they would have been if the guy was an illegal invader.

Like I said - MARK THIS ONE AS ANOTHER TRIUMPH for the liberal Attorney-Court Industrial Complex we call our "justice system."

Thanks for clearing up the issue of his citizenship and setting straight some vitriolic dialogue on this subject.


107 posted on 01/27/2005 1:10:47 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: America's Resolve

I agree. See my post #99


108 posted on 01/27/2005 1:10:58 PM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: moehoward; hchutch
Oh, man. What about a documented, fourth-generation domestic murderer?

Fourth generation legal would be quite different. Than say "anchor baby legal".

POW!

109 posted on 01/27/2005 1:11:06 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: Chemist_Geek

Whatever.

IMO there would be a distinction between a family legally immigrating, then raising a family versus a couple of Illegal Aliens crossing the border and then having a child.

I guess you do not make the same distinction.

Spare me the 14th amendment lecture.............


110 posted on 01/27/2005 1:11:53 PM PST by moehoward
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To: fivecatsandadog
Great minds!

People on this thread are talking like this guy is actually going to see justice of some kind.

Prison time? Hole in the ground? Death chamber? Suicide injection? YA'LL ARE DREAMING!

NOTHING is my bet!

111 posted on 01/27/2005 1:15:50 PM PST by America's Resolve (awarforeurabia.blogspot.com - Watching the war for Europe)
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To: riri
Found particularly in democrats.

LOL!

112 posted on 01/27/2005 1:16:23 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: America's Resolve

Unless he does the right thing and pleads guilty, I'm sure his lawyers (which we California taxpayers will have to pay for) will have him plead insanity.


113 posted on 01/27/2005 1:18:17 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: ZULU

Good for you, Zulu. I agree with much of what you posted in #107.


114 posted on 01/27/2005 1:20:24 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: Chemist_Geek

It typically used to be 3 Generations. But that isn't taking into account the fact that Mexican immigrants don't assimilate. They actually become more of a burden to the Country as their generations expand.

3rd Generation isn't the norm anymore...that was with the immigrants that came here to be Americans.

The 3rd Generation Anchor Babies are now more involved in the hispanic LaRaza "take it back from the gringos" gang lifestyle than the American one.


115 posted on 01/27/2005 1:24:33 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group
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To: TenaciousZ
Hopefully this at least will assuage some of the anti-illegal suspicions and insanity that has been stirred up.

I am more relieved because now he can die in the gas chamber without the Mexican government getting the SCOTUS to overturn his sentence using "international law" (Sandra Day's latest obsession)

116 posted on 01/27/2005 1:30:16 PM PST by montag813
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To: Wolfstar

Why would an illegal alien kill himself? There is so much to live for in Jorge bush's open-borders America.


117 posted on 01/27/2005 1:31:35 PM PST by montag813
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To: Wolfstar
We had a good discussion on yesterday's big thread about this incident.

I'd call it a hijack.

(tongue only partially in cheek)

118 posted on 01/27/2005 1:58:41 PM PST by CedarDave (Democrats don't speak -- they rant!)
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To: CedarDave
I'd call it a hijack.

Grin...

119 posted on 01/27/2005 2:01:07 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: Wolfstar

LOL


120 posted on 01/27/2005 2:05:04 PM PST by CedarDave (Democrats don't speak -- they rant!)
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