They both know a fellow--formerly of I think Sandia Labs. My cousin was raised in a church that often had folks from there attending.
Anyway--they both knew the fellow say from Sandia Labs who was cited in a book I was reading with me about Dulce and the purported deep caverns and UFO ET/USA military wars there.
I was uhhh given to understand . . . that I should not at all poohpooh anything this Sandia Base fellow would be saying or even hinting at. They knew him to be extremely solid, reliable, trustworthy, honest etc.
SO--*FOR ME*--another piece of the puzzle fell into place.
OF course, all who want to stick their heads in the sand; rationalize or out-right ignore evidence--it's quite understandable. I just haven't had that luxury since decades ago my close relative worked around the craft in the area 51 region.