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Elizabeth Smart case, August 10, 2002

Posted on 08/09/2002 7:55:41 PM PDT by IamHD

Well, nothing new on the 9th..maybe today.


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1 posted on 08/09/2002 7:55:41 PM PDT by IamHD
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2 posted on 08/09/2002 8:01:11 PM PDT by IamHD
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3 posted on 08/09/2002 8:02:35 PM PDT by IamHD
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4 posted on 08/09/2002 8:17:08 PM PDT by Bella
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5 posted on 08/09/2002 8:18:16 PM PDT by varina davis
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6 posted on 08/09/2002 8:21:35 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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7 posted on 08/09/2002 10:35:47 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
How 'bout taking me off your ping list for this case. It's about time to let her go, don't you think?
8 posted on 08/09/2002 10:50:29 PM PDT by Semper911
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To: varina davis
http://kutv.com/related/StoryFolder/story_884557063_html

Break-in at Elizabeth Smart Aunt’s Home
Aug 9, 2002 5:08 pm US/Mountain

Police are investigating a possible break-in at the home of Elizabeth Smart's aunt.

During a press conference Friday, Ed smart confirmed that a break-in did occur at his sister-in-law's home, but he says he doesn't know if it has anything to do with the kidnapping of his daughter.

“We have no idea what the relevance of it is. We don't feel like we can speculate what happened there,” Smart said.

Ed Smart also says they've received several search tips around the Big Mountain area in East Canyon and the Jordan River.

Volunteer searchers are asked to meet Saturday morning at 9 am at either the summit of Big Mountain or the southwest corner of the South Towne Mall parking lot.

9 posted on 08/10/2002 12:32:58 AM PDT by Bella
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To: IamHD
http://kutv.com/related/StoryFolder/story_661445001_html

Smart Probe Raises Questions About Parolee System
Aug 6, 2002 4:07 pm US/Mountain

Ed Smart was stunned when police told him the handyman he'd invited into his home to do odd jobs last year was a potential suspect in his daughter's June 5 abduction.

Two weeks into Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping investigation, police told the family that Richard Albert Ricci was a violent felon with a 29-year criminal history and a record of parole violations.

"I was mad," Smart said. "And I was disappointed I hadn't heard this a year ago. I never would have hired him if I'd known."

Ricci's freedom wasn't unusual. In Utah and across the nation, an increasing number of prisoners are doing their time on the streets rather than behind bars in an effort known as "offender re-entry."

It's the solution prison officials have used to ease former inmates back into their communities. And it saves money.

Utah Corrections Director Mike Chabries last year announced a new policy on parole violators after budget cuts forced the closure of two prisons and the early release of 400 inmates.

Chabries said corrections would pursue the system of education and support that sends fewer parolees back to prison for violations such as failing drug tests or missing appointments with parole agents.

Keeping people on parole helps the cash-strapped state. Instead of spending $24,000 per year to house a prisoner, Utah pays $2,000 per year to supervise a parolee.

"We were spending millions and millions on prisons," said Joe Borich, director of the Corrections Department's Adult Parole and Probation Division. "All of a sudden, the budget's cut."

Because 97 percent of prison inmates will one day be released, "We want to make sure there's a transition into the community," Chabries said. "So when they walk out of the prison, on day one, they will have a place to go and something to do."

"That doesn't mean we ought to put the community at risk," he added.

That's what may have happened in Ricci's case. He was on parole while he worked in Smart's neighborhood last year. Ricci has been charged with thefts and a burglary that occurred in the area during that time.

Every month, the Utah Board of Pardons releases 200 to 250 prisoners. The state counts parolees, probationers and prisoners daily; on July 30, there were 5,370 people in prison and 3,492 on parole. Like the rest of the state's population, 80 percent of parolees live in Wasatch Front neighborhoods.

On average, each has been paroled twice. Virtually all parolees are felons; two were convicted of capital homicide.

Parolees tend to be undereducated and underskilled. Most arrests for additional crimes occur within the first six months of release. Sixty-five percent of parolees are back in prison within three years. Chabries hopes to reduce recidivism to 20 or 30 percent.

That's a tough assignment for parole agents staggering under caseloads of up to 60 probationers and parolees.

"We're the ones who know who they are, where they are, and we're responsible," said Corrections Deputy Director Chris Mitchell.

"Whenever there is a serious crime, we have a bad feeling in the pit of our stomach,'' Mitchell said. ``We worry it's one of our guys."

Ricci, 48, hasn't been charged in Elizabeth's kidnapping and has steadily maintained his innocence. Police Chief Rick Dinse says Ricci is a top potential suspect.

Court documents show Ricci has admitted to the 2001 theft from the Smart home and a night burglary of a neighbor's home around the same time. However, he has pleaded innocent to those charges. Federal authorities have charged him with robbing a bank in November 2001.

He was paroled from Utah State Prison, for the fourth time, in November 2000.

Ricci didn't tell his parole officer he was working for Smart. Even if he had, his agent may not have passed on the information.

Parole agent Diane Malmborg said when she verifies her clients' employment, she doesn't necessarily divulge their criminal status.

"Unless (employers) ask, I don't tell them," Malmborg said. "That's the responsibility of the probationer or parolee."

There are exceptions.

"If I have someone who's a forger and they are working for a bank, I would have to tell the bank," she said.

"But I would not allow a forger to work at a bank. A sex offender would not be allowed to work at a daycare. There is an element of liability there. We screen that closely."

Driving with her partner through tidy and run-down neighborhoods on the eastern edge of West Valley City and Taylorsville, Malborg said during her 14 years as a parole agent, the people she supervises have become more violent. She blames that on the influx of gangs, guns and methamphetamine.

"It's really dangerous now," Malmborg said. "I don't tell my family what I do."

In a way, parole agents like Malmborg are caught in a trap not of their own making. They can hurt the very people they're trying to help by disclosing too much information. If they are too tough, they will hinder efforts to reduce the prison population.

"Our attempt is to intervene, to provide them an opportunity to learn," said Malmborg. "It's frustrating when you get someone on his seventh parole, because you've worked with him and worked with him."

There is one absolute: Agents will cut no slack for parolees who commit new crimes. When that happens, "he goes back to prison, no questions asked," Chabries said.

On the Net:
Utah Department of Corrections: http://www.corrections.utah.gov/

10 posted on 08/10/2002 12:39:20 AM PDT by Bella
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To: spore-gasm
On Capitol Grilling, found reference to this article, which says the abductor was masked. Doesn't make it true, of course, but could provide reason for no sketch:

My theory all along has been that the perp was wearing a mask and I've taken some heat for it here on FR. WHY wouldn't a perp wear a mask? No one has answered that question. If it was Ricci who wore a mask robbing banks, why wouldn't he wear a mask for a kidnapping?

14 posted on 08/10/2002 6:55:13 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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Maybe the mask figured in the Smarts' initial belief that Liz was alive -- if she could identify her abductor, he would likely kill her.
15 posted on 08/10/2002 7:42:54 AM PDT by cookiedough
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To: spore-gasm
spore-gasm,

Your post makes a lot of sense to me. It ties up a lot of the loose ends in the story. Like the strange behavior of various family members, the fact that Ed Smart was moving his family to a 'cabin', indicating to me that his business is slow, and a host of other odd twists and turns in the case.

Someone mentioned the other day that Ed Smart had a habit of hiring ex-cons. He would certainly be a saavy businessman, in that he has been described as a Real Estate Broker, with his own agency (has been for many years), a mortgage brokers with his own company (First National Mortgage, per David Smart) and a real estate developer. From the way he has acted throughout the various interviews, it's hard to match his on-camera persona with a businessman of his caliber.

That Utah is experiencing a recession that is greater that the average in the US , can be confirmed by the fact that the state has a Bankruptcy rate that is the highest in the US. About double that of any other state. Housing starts, for new construction, in SLC and Utah Counties have dropped to 1/2 of the rate at this same time last year. Add to that the drought and the effect on the water supply in Utah, and you have conditions that would indicate the hardships that Utah and it's citizenry are currently realizing.

All three of Ed Smart's business endeavors would be negatively impacted. I'm sure that is the reason for the move to a smaller place(price-wise).

Also, as to the computer/on-line situation with Elizabeth, I think that maybe Ed told LE that Elizabeth didn't use the
web in the hopes that they wouldn't take his computers and discover what they discovered. I believe that Elizabeth did use the 3 family computers. Or at least one of them. Kids these days use computers in school as a matter of course. Most schools have them in many, if not most of the classrooms.

Thanks for the post!
16 posted on 08/10/2002 8:09:06 AM PDT by L84AD8
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To: spore-gasm
Polygraphs done on psychotic or intensely religious people are not always necessarily accurate -- because if the person believes with all their heart in something, even if they KNOW it is not true, their answers on the polygraph will come up as if they are not lying when they are indeed lying. I would like to see the Smarts polygraphed now -- I'll bet anything that they would come up other than "okay". Could be they knew nothing then, but I bet they know something now.

So true. Also remember that not every member of the family had a polygraph as written in one of the past articles due to the community being up in arms over this.

18 posted on 08/10/2002 8:36:42 AM PDT by Bella
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**It's about time to let her go, don't you think? **

Her body hasn't been found...and there *is* still remaining hope for her to come home. It's not time to *let her go*, imho.

19 posted on 08/10/2002 8:38:52 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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antipolygraph.org/news.shtml

Greg Lavine reports for the Salt Lake Tribune. Excerpt:
Academic experts who study lie detection say that polygraph tests can play a useful role in cases such as the abduction of 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart, but the scientific community remains divided over whether such examinations can accurately determine guilt or innocence.

At least two family members, including Elizabeth Smart's father, Edward, are known to have taken polygraph tests. Investigators have left the door open to test other family members. Polygraph testing can be especially useful in cases involving limited physical evidence, said Frank Horvath, a professor of criminal justice at Michigan State University.

Polygraph test results are not admissible in Utah and most other U.S. courts.

Undergoing a polygraph test can get subjects to open up to questions they might otherwise not answer, said Iacono, who runs a psychopathology laboratory. A significant physiological response to a certain question may indicate unease with that topic. Investigators can explore that avenue, which could lead to other areas of focus.

Horvath and Iacono agree that there is no such thing as the perfect liar. Several studies indicate that no one can beat a polygraph test by simply spinning lies.

Iacono said there are other methods that can fool polygraph tests, many of which are available on the Internet. Some methods can be as simple as tongue biting.

20 posted on 08/10/2002 8:51:28 AM PDT by Bella
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