Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
He's not exactly upholding that teetotaler image, is he? :)
Good night, everyone! I've reached my crap quota for the day.
Congratulations!
Good night!
It doesn't sound familiar, but "Carlene" by Phil Vassar is a fun song to sing along with!
I didn't realize there were this many closet country fans in the Hobbit Hole!! I don't know about y'all, but today's country music bears a striking resemblance to 70's folk rock!
Carlene
by Phil Vassar
I was lousy at math, failed historian
Carlene was the valedictorian
I was the quarter back in the back of classes
She was the whiz kid in horned rim glasses
It's been a long time since I've been around
Since I stepped foot on my old stomping ground
I ended up by the old school yard
When this red head pulled up in a blue sports car
She said, "I bet you don't remember,
I guess it's been forever."
It took a second to put it all together and I said...
Ooh la la la la la
Looking good Carlene
Woh my my my my my
Times been good to you
If you know what I mean
Girl you glitter like Hollywood
Good God Carlene
You sure are lookin good
She said hop in let's go for a spin
Tell me whatcha been doing boy
And where you been
I said I write songs, you probably didn't know,
But I finally got a couple out on country radio
She said, "What a switch,
ain't life funny, I've got a PHD,
now I'm modeling for money."
Imagine little miss 4.0
Just smiling for the camera on the cover of Vogue
I said you've come a long way since graduation
Let me say without hesitation
You've surpassed everyone's expectations
Ooh la la la la la
Looking good Carlene
Woh my my my my my
Times been good to you
If you know what I mean
Girl you glitter like Hollywood
Good God Carlene
You sure are lookin good
I said I hope to see you again someday
She said another ten years
Is too long to wait
Pick me up at my Momma's at eight!
And I said...
Ooh la la la la la
Looking good Carlene
Woh my my my my my
Times been good to you
If you know what I mean
Ruh Roh.... I better fix my image...
Well, he wanted someone firmer and he wanted someone younger,
And he always had a thing for blondes.
As it happened, his new secretary happened to be all that rolled into one.
And the woman who had lived with him, an angel who had given him,
The last twenty-two years.
Is now cryin' big Cadillac tears.
Cadillac tears, don't hurt so bad.
Cadillac tears, she ain't so sad.
Well, she might a lost her wedding ring,
But she took him for ev'rything,
No, mamma didn't do too bad.
Aw, she's crying big Cadillac tears.
Well, she's runnin' through his money so fast it isn't funny,
Aw, she's emptied every shop in town.
Oh, she bought them Akin diamond rings and lots of other shiny things,
to wear when she goes steppin' out.
And she's headed to her lawyers 'cause this morning when he called her,
He said: "Checks are pilin' up down here."
Aw, she's crying big Cadillac tears.
Cadillac tears, don't hurt so bad.
Cadillac tears, she ain't so sad.
Well, she might a lost her wedding ring,
But she took him for ev'rything,
No, mamma didn't do too bad.
Aw, she's crying big Cadillac tears.
Hey man, she's cruisin' down the street with custom wheels and leather seats,
You know, she gets a new one every year.
Aw, she's crying big Cadillac tears.
Mamma is cryin' big Cadillac tears.
Big old Cadillac tears.
"Cadillac Tears", Written by Wynn Varble and Leslie Satcher, performed by Kevin Denney
Sorry, Hair, I don't think the 'Viking Kittens' will do the trick, though they are a scream!!
LOL! Sounds like an object lesson for any married man with a 'wandering eye'.
The boys of the hobbit hole have cracked!
It's a Friday night!
I'm tempted to run some of LoTR throught the Jar-Jargonizer and see what results....
No! The Silmarillion... just imagine the Tale of Beren and Luthien in Jar-Jar Jargon!
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Gungans have grand army. That's why you no liking us meesa thinks.
Posta on 03/14/2002 5:07 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This continuation of the infamous thread Dune Sea-a Builds Hobbit Hole originally posta on January 26, 2001 by Obi-Wan Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found rath-a obscure article that would elicit few replies an' die out. Without know'in it, he became the found-a of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits an' friends of hobbits to chit chat an' share LoTR news an' views, hang out, an' talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surround'ins.
In keep'in with the new post'in guidelines, the thread idea continu'in here, as the Green Dragon Inn, our more structura spin-off thread, as soon as wee-sa figure out how to move all the okiday discussion that been-sa had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, wee-sa just start fresh, bring'in only few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, an' perhaps walk down memory lane:
Our discussion been-sa light:
It very well may be that thread named "Dune Sea-a builds Hobbit hole" end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the maxi-okiday heartfelt content... Sorry Obi-Wan, but Mee-sa would have rath-a it been-da one with more dist'inuisha title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
Howev-a, Mee-sa can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what starta as laugh about some wacko in Dune Sea has mutata an' grown into multifaceta discussion of the art, literature, an' philosophy that Tolkien. an' now that Mee-sa've managa to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, Mee-sa agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! Mee-sa was numb-a 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don-nuh have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okiday...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxa
When Gungans in trouble, wee-sa go to sacred place.
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was okiday man, or he wouldn't chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Yoda, like all of the Apostles, but he betraya him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion an' Crucifixion would nev-a have occurra, an' mankind would not redeema. So without his self-destruction infinite okiday would not accomplisha. Mee-sa certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to mee-sa that this describes the charact-a of Gollum, in the scenes so mov'inly portraya above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity an' worth of some of the charact-as…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as Jawas - ruffl'in Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but Mee-sa don-nuh think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realiza that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…Mee-sa think almost every fault of his can be traca directly back to his blindness to anyth'in spiritual or unseen. He consid-as the halfl'ins as Jawas, because that what they look like. He consid-as the only hope of the ring to be in tak'in it an' using it for victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, an' he cannot see the unseen dang-a that lies in the use of the ring itself… Mee-sa just feel sorry for Boromir--he like blind but honorable man, try'in to take the right path on the road but miss'in the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir no jerk, he's jock… post 2401 – Overtaxa
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Oh, Mee-sa think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! Mee-sa think he's not only on the brink of dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of los'in himself completely dur'in the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over no complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speak'in to Gollum no Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. Aft-a the Ring destroya, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. Mee-sa think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regard'in Frodo's compassion... it's little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's gonna have to quit being so darn nice. But you-sa're right. He's learna lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't external lesson but internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only do he totally succumb to it, but he was rath-a ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was maxi-big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxa
So as you-sa can see, everyth'in JRR Tolkien (and Pet-a Fett) welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, okiday talk an' frequent silliness.
To: Obi-Wan FarsonROTFL - Thank you-sa Obi-Wan!!
Thanks for the smiles... My fellowship has split up an' gone off hunt'in orcs, Soldi-as prepar'in for war an' Mee-sa desperately worria about Frodo an' Sam... Mee-sa must get back to my read'in.
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Track 5: The Uruk-Hai (6.9 MB)
Track 6: The King of the Golden Hall (8.9 MB)
The choral work depicting Theoden's "rebirth" at the end of this track is glorious.
Track 7: The Black Gate is Closed (7.7 MB)
I love the scurrying figures in the woodwinds. Sounds like a mass of cockroaches swarming across the floor.
Track 8: Evenstar (7.6 MB)
This is absolutely gorgeous. Much like "Aniron" from FotR, but much more melancholy. Heartbreaking stuff here.
Track 9: The White Rider (5.8 MB)
Just got this one today, and have not had time to listen to it yet.
Track 10: Treebeard (6.4 MB)
Very interesting musical textures here. Prominent bassoon solo (it is a woodwind instrument, after all), and some unusual percussion work.
Track 11: The Leave Taking (8.6 MB)
Features both Rivendell and Lothlorien themes, as the elves depart Middle Earth.
Track 12: Helm's Deep (9.1 MB)
Here's where the battle music starts in earnest. Some really really cool horn calls.
Track 13: The Forbidden Pool (12.8 MB)
Track 14: Breath of Life (12 MB)
Track 15: The Hornburg (10.8 MB)
At 3 minutes into this, listen for the Lothlorien theme played by the brass as a war call - wow! (Haldir and buds showing up to help?)
Track 16: Forth Eorlingas (7.6 MB)
Tremendous build-up to a huge orchestral explosion. More Rohan theme in glorious fanfare, followed by the Fellowship theme. After this, the singer comes in, and I don't know what is happening on screen, but this section gives me goosebumps. (Charge of the White Rider, maybe?)
Track 17: Isengard Unleashed (11.7 MB)
The preceding battle music was good, but this takes it to a whole other level. Starts with a mournful solo voice (someone's death?). More cascades in the brass, followed by the Isengard theme and Rohan fanfares. In the last 3 minutes of the track, there is a buildup like nothing else I have heard in film before. It keeps building the tension until you can't possibly stand any more. If the action onscreen matches this tension (which somehow I think it will), I am going to have to take a pair of clean underwear with me to each showing. Yowza!!
Track 18: Samwise the Brave (8.8 MB)
Towards the end, listen for a Jaws-like hint of the evil yet to befall Frodo and Sam...
Track 19: Gollum's Song (13.7 MB)
Very strange, mournful song for Gollum, followed by a restatement of the Rohan theme to wrap things up.
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