I think this is all very good information for personal use. But what are we going to do about industry?
I saw someone say that people used to live with no electricity at all and managed just fine.
Are we going to go back to outhouses too? And are we going to have to grow all of our own food, instead of having it grown somewhere else (with no petroleum-based fertilizers of course)
And no money to buy products ranging from nails to fasten a board to a wristwatch to keep track of time, never cars. We don’t need cars, right? Horse and buggy?
And when you get sick, old, or infirm, you are on your own?
Do we really want to go back to those times? I think this is great for individuals. Are we really advocating for a return to pre-industrial times?
True, as long as you do the math on your situation (power consumption habits, weather patterns in your area, etc.). Not everybody can make solar work well enough to pay for itself.
But what are we going to do about industry?
On that we're in 100% agreement. See post #12 where I use my own experience with home energy self reliance (a successful project if being 80% self-reliant is the goal) and discuss how being 100% self-reliant is not at all feasible. Then doing that on a city-wide, industrial scale is horrible. And especially outside a climate that's not good for solar (i.e. northeast U.S. or northwest U.S. vs warm sunny Alabama).
“I think this is all very good information for personal use. But what are we going to do about industry?
I saw someone say that people used to live with no electricity at all and managed just fine.
Are we going to go back to outhouses too? And are we going to have to grow all of our own food, instead of having it grown somewhere else (with no petroleum-based fertilizers of course)
And no money to buy products ranging from nails to fasten a board to a wristwatch to keep track of time, never cars. We don’t need cars, right? Horse and buggy?
And when you get sick, old, or infirm, you are on your own?
Do we really want to go back to those times? I think this is great for individuals. Are we really advocating for a return to pre-industrial times?”
Of course we would rather not. But unfortunately this is indeed our future. We will be thrown back into the 1800s where communities have their ranchers, farmers, butchers, bakers, and candle stick makers. With a little advantage of some personal electricity for minimal needs such as lights. So we can get caught with our pants down or get ahead of the inevitable and do it on our terms now not on their terms later.
An outhouse is actually a luxury in a survival situation. Been there too. And yes, it is going to come to this pretty soon the way it is going. Of course we don’t want to return to those times but we are not going to have a choice. They are pushing it on us by the day. They are making us dependent on the grid so they can shut it off completely. And yes unfortunately it will indeed become a time where only the strongest will survive. That is exactly their plan...
Unfortunately the choice will be live minimal and practical or be homeless.
“Do we really want to go back to those times? I think this is great for individuals. Are we really advocating for a return to pre-industrial times?”
Think third world... Because that is exactly where we are headed very soon.