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Television sitcom pioneer Norman Lear dies at 101
Today Show ^ | December 06, 2023 | By Drew Weisholtz

Posted on 12/06/2023 7:03:09 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger; All

“Good riddance to liberal trash. 12/6/2023, 8:12:02 AM by nwrep”

Couldn’t agree with you more. We got assigned to watch this crap in grade school, I remember it clearly, I was already starting to hate television and then we were forced to watch this absolute garbage. Like popular entertainment is supposed to make your skin crawl, right? You’re supposed to be “challenged” and blah-de-blah.

The best part it was roman catholic priests and nuns telling our folks not to object to it, it’s culture, and “challenging” and all this and that. So we had to sit there trying to do our “assignment” while Dad was in the background dissing it with scathing rhetoric that scared us.

Young people on social media acting like “Oh, Archie Bunker is VERY COOL, actually!” like “this is conservatism” when Lear was mocking patriotic working-class conservatives and goading an entire generation into mocking them. (And it worked.)

*spits*

May you be reborn as the retarded son of a moslem illegal immigrant cab driver and his 2nd wife who is also his cousin living on the 485th story of a highrise in a 15-minute city in Pakistan.


21 posted on 12/06/2023 7:50:06 AM PST by Scarlett156
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To: Red Badger
comedies focused on social issues and advanced the idea that sitcoms could help drive the conversation about relevant and taboo subjects, has died

"Leftist Propaganda" is a much pithier way of saying the same thing.

22 posted on 12/06/2023 7:51:30 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Red Badger

AITF was enjoyable in the day. Archie wasn,t always the brightest bulb. And meathead was to represent the younger generation with the cause of the day. Of course Jean Stapleton was the greatest character as Archie’s victim of husbandness


23 posted on 12/06/2023 7:52:08 AM PST by abigkahuna (Honk Honk. It’s Clown World Out There. )
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To: Red Badger

People tend to forget that many liberals didn’t like Lear’s character of Meathead - a stereotypical hippy who couldn’t hold a job. Yes, there was Archie the racist, but Lear also created black characters who were bigots George Jefferson frequently had issues with his mixed-race neighbors - he often used words like honky and zebra. And the character Fred Sanford had his prejudices, too, like when he had an appointment with a white nurse and said, “I ain’t goin’ in there with that ugly old white woman!” Lear created some good balance in that regard, showing that all people can have prejudices.


24 posted on 12/06/2023 7:52:16 AM PST by Restless
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Neither John Amos, not Esther Rolle, if she were still alive, would agree with you. They felt Good Times was nowhere near a true experience and Esther was furious that Lear wanted her ‘husband’ to abandon the family to cover Amos’ contract dispute with Lear.


25 posted on 12/06/2023 7:52:47 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business )
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To: Red Badger

“He deeply loved our country”

He just hated the people who lived in it.


26 posted on 12/06/2023 7:52:59 AM PST by Flatus I. Maximus (You can vote your way into Socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: Restless

27 posted on 12/06/2023 7:56:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: abigkahuna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5FbW_AXd-s

The #1 bit is Edith and menopause.


28 posted on 12/06/2023 7:57:57 AM PST by abigkahuna (Honk Honk. It’s Clown World Out There. )
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To: Restless

Trivia question:

What was Redd Foxx real name?
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.....John Sanford......................


29 posted on 12/06/2023 7:59:19 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Scarlett156

>The best part it was roman catholic priests and nuns telling our folks not to object to it, it’s culture, and “challenging” and all this and that. So we had to sit there trying to do our “assignment” while Dad was in the background dissing it with scathing rhetoric that scared us.

Young people on social media acting like “Oh, Archie Bunker is VERY COOL, actually!” like “this is conservatism” when Lear was mocking patriotic working-class conservatives and goading an entire generation into mocking them. (And it worked.)<

Exactly! Not only was AITF slamming white males, it was slamming patriotism. It became cool to make fun of my class of people.


30 posted on 12/06/2023 8:00:04 AM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: ConservativeMind

I still think that was Michelle Obama’s secret service code name.


31 posted on 12/06/2023 8:03:01 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Borges
"The first several seasons of AITF is still very funny. There were plenty of “good” white males on it. It was a satire of the generation gap. Brilliantly written and acted."

Agreed. Lear may have been intending to make Archie look bad for lack of a better word, but instead millions of white men directly identified with Archie or knew someone like him "at the docks" or as a drinking buddy, and Lear portrayed him having a heart.

AITF jumped the shark fairly fast, though, having Luciferian Sammy Davis Jr. on to shuck and jive his way through S2E21.

32 posted on 12/06/2023 8:04:38 AM PST by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: Restless

In his day Lear was a raving leftist trying to subvert everything in sight....

but by today’s standards he was open minded on many topics and most of his shows would be banned immediately as right wing extremist insurrectionist and racist.


33 posted on 12/06/2023 8:10:39 AM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: Red Badger
If I remember correctly, Lear had a fairly polite relationship with Rush Limbaugh. When Lear was producing his new sitcom around 1994 or so, set in the old Bunker house and featuring a young black conservative, Lear called up Rush and sent over some episodes of it. Rush actually praised the tone of the show and expressed some admiration that Lear would create such a character.

Rush doing that with someone at ideological odds made an impression on me. It said that conservatism must always have the high ground, no matter how ugly and mean the opposition gets. Conservatives should never compromise but they can be the better person.

34 posted on 12/06/2023 8:11:29 AM PST by Ciaphas Cain (America will need de-liberalization just as Germany had de-nazification.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
"Shows like The Andy Griffith Show were canceled and replaced by All in the Family and others almost overnight, despite the fact that they were incredibly popular and morally edifying."

Andy Griffith left "The Andy Griffith Show" in 1968, "All In The Family" debuted 1971. OTOH "Mayberry RFD" was indeed cancelled as part of the Rural Purge or Hickstallnacht or Exurbageddon or Appalachidoom.

35 posted on 12/06/2023 8:13:25 AM PST by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: Red Badger

Every TV show or movie depicts blacks as drug dealers, drug abusers, gangstas, criminals or deadbeats on welfare with few redeeming qualities.

^^^^^^^^^

Well that’s what they teach at “Black Acting School”

Language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ASZ6K9cPNk


36 posted on 12/06/2023 8:23:10 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: bimboeruption; discostu
Lear started the tread of making fun of white males ala Archie Bunker.

He capitalized on the trend but he didn't start it. Just look at 'The Honeymooners' (1955) which inspired the Flintstones (1960).

37 posted on 12/06/2023 8:23:48 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: Leaning Right

Ditto that....


38 posted on 12/06/2023 8:31:14 AM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: Red Badger

Yep, Norm Lear was obviously a huge racist, what with his writing and creating all those tv shows that were so racist they would not be allowed to broadcast today.


39 posted on 12/06/2023 8:32:21 AM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: Zuriel

Leftists loved WWII because they were fighting on behalf of their beloved Soviet Union.

They were hardcore isolationists before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union.


40 posted on 12/06/2023 8:40:23 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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