Posted on 11/10/2023 12:11:17 PM PST by nickcarraway
Cheating on college campuses has always been an arms race. But ChatGPT has upended the balance, and now no one knows for sure what or who is on the level. Is a BA worth anything if it’s all BS?
Scott Limmer has been a defense attorney in Nassau County for nearly a quarter of a century. Solidly built, with salt-and-pepper hair and a booming Long Island accent, Limmer is the kind of guy who can make anyone feel comfortable, including the criminal defendants who are the bread and butter of his practice. Or at least they used to be.
Lately, college and university academic misconduct cases, wherein a student is accused of cheating, plagiarizing, or fabricating schoolwork, have become a much larger portion of his caseload. The initial spike happened during Covid, when online learning caused a dramatic rise in academic dishonesty at colleges across the country. “A lot of students took advantage of doing things at home,” Limmer says. “There were text groups between 30 and 60 students while they were taking a test. Just wild stuff.”
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What you got caught?
I dunno how I could let this happen.
Just say it wasn’t you
Is a BA worth anything if it’s all BS?
Look at it another way: those kids collaborating on tests used their initiative to band together and work as a team. Isn’t that a skill employers want to see?
We have a plagiarist in the White House.
Darn. I thought this was about adultery. Would’ve been amusing!
“So it’s absolutely true that only students with resources, which usually means parents who can pay for a lawyer, get the benefit of a lawyer. That is an unfairness that exists in this area.”
Lieyahs need to be forced to work for Slave Wages.
This is one area of our education system that could be reformed. What should matter are not grades, but whether you can demonstrate mastery of the material.
Some form of testing system where you can either re-test repeatedly or you can take the test the moment you believe you mastered the material.
Basically a homeschooling equivalent in the public school.
After graduation I sent my transcripts in for various graduate schools. I got a copy of one and it said I had a BS degree. I actually graduated with a BA because my major was in language.
Evidently one of my early advisors had signed me up for math and science courses which also qualified me for a BS degree.
>>What should matter are not grades, but whether you can demonstrate mastery of the material.
Passing grades used to only be awarded upon demonstration of mastery of the material.
Sounds like BS to me. 🤣🤣😎
Oral exams are the best way.
It shouldn’t take too long to ask a few questions to assess if they understand the material.
I would have thought that schools were looking the other way on academic dishonesty, with the 57 genders and all that.
Schools would never do this. If someone had to show the ability to get measurable results to get a degree then there would be no psychologists. Not a one. No economists either. Also very few teachers.
This would be a very good thing.
Sure. Hire the entire team to do inventory control.
My son is an aerospace engineer. Some of his course had open source tests. He and his friends collaborated just like real life.
I have news. All those Indian engineers they bring in? All of their degrees were obtained by cheating. It is endemic to India.
Back in the day at VMI cheating was punished by being “drummed out of the corps” in quite a dramatic fashion. Nowadays apparently honor doesnt really matter there, but it once did, and was taken seriously.
Fast forward to grad school (engineering)....the cabal of Indian imports caught a glimpse of my neatly typed notes, and mistook them for class notes from the library (I could have been more helpful disuading that notion) but one of the group immediate marched out of class to get what they hoped eould be all remaining copies of the notes...the next class it was clear from the dirty looks that I pulled one over on them.
You know that BS=BS
MS=More of the same &
PhD=Piled higher and deeper
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