Posted on 09/13/2023 1:44:43 AM PDT by Morgana
If cops can’t vent on the job, where they can have a presumption of privacy, what do you think is going to happen? You think that police going to stick around when they have to act like a priest?
You’re going to get no police. It’s called consequences. The worse you make their job, the less likely you’ll get recruits or people who will stick around.
When would they be able to vent on their time? Cops work 12 hour shifts. That’s just enough time to go home and eat a meal and get some sleep before having to do it again. You have no idea how policing works, but you consider yourself qualified to judge how to do their job.
Again, find another job means having no police. You are prepared to protect your virgin ears by doing without officers. Your virgin ears are more important to you than the people being protected.
It’s Catch-22, the fact somebody even wants to do the job, shows they’re crazy.
He was also heard uttering: 'I mean, he was going 50 (MPH). That's not out of control. That's not reckless for a trained driver.'
The cop driving the car, officer Kevin Dave, was in fact doing at 74mph in a 25mph zone before he slammed into Jaahnavi Kandula.
Auderer is a drug-recognition officer, who was assigned to determine whether Dave was under the influence. He concluded that his colleague was sober.
You have that right. I work at a police station and I can tell you from experience that the average officer is halfway cracked. They just put on a thin veneer of sanity for the public consumption.
“If cops can’t vent on the job, where they can have a presumption of privacy..”
Once again for the comprehension impaired: There is NO expectation of privacy on the job. ANY job. Venting is for AFTER work to you family, friends, or your bartender.
This has been litigated over and over again. If this cop is too stupid to know that he shouldn’t be a cop, especially these days.
I didn’t build the system, Skippy. I just know how it works.
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Audery is also Vice President of the union - Seattle Police Officers Guild. Seems like a conflict of interest to me.
Again, the forever having to watch words, except when they are asleep because that’s the only free time they have when they are not working, makes the job undoable. Making the job undoable means having no police.
Stating that cop can not expect privacy when on the job is the same as saying that you’d rather have the violence in society than give cops the opportunity to blow off steam when they are working.
You didn’t build the system, but you certainly want to tear it down because that is what would happen. As police pull out, you get less police having to do more. The more police have to do, the less police you will have. That’s the spiral you would have from how you think police should conduct themselves at all times.
It’s tantamount to supporting evil and disorder, because you what the police to be priests. Again, if it’s within their system and not speaking to the public, they police should be able to say whatever they want if it means being able to do their jobs.
“except when they are asleep because that’s the only free time they have when they are not working”
I happen to know a couple of good cops. They’re smart enough to do the job in a professional manner when they’re on duty and they keep their opinions to themselves until they’re off duty.
Cops in my town work 8 hour shifts just like us regular schlubs. OT is voluntary. Even the Chicago cop I know has plenty of time off. He just got back from a 2 week bird hunting trip to Nebraska.
“Stating that cop can not expect privacy when on the job is the same as saying that you’d rather have the violence in society than give cops the opportunity to blow off steam when they are working.”
No, it isn’t. My employer doesn’t let me “blow off steam” during my work day. I routinely work 50-60 hours a week, more when I’m traveling. When I’m on the clock I’m expected, no I’m required, to conduct myself in a professional manner at all times on pain of termination of employment.
I don’t get to mock customers who’ve made stupid mistakes while I’m on the job site, especially not out loud over company owned equipment. That’s for after work when I’m talking to my wife, my friends, or my bartender.
I expect, no I demand, professionalism from the cops I pay for. They are, quite rightly, held to a higher standard. In the private sector I can always find another provider of whatever product or service I’m looking for. You can’t do that with cops.
“Any organization is only as good as the worst psycho they tolerate in their ranks.”
This cop needs a serious attitude adjustment. And I sincerely hope he gets it. Perhaps he’s salvageable. If he is, great. If he’s not he needs to go and go now. How this recording got released is pretty much irrelevant at this point. He was mocking a dead woman who’d been killed by another cop. He did it publicly on the taxpayer dime.
That is completely unacceptable behavior. Now the family of this poor dead girl has to see the callous behavior this chucklehead engaged in over and over again. If he has a shred of honor or dignity about him he will apologize loudly and publicly and then go get some professional help.
He obviously needs it.
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You only know these cops when they aren’t working. Have you ridden along with them when they have to do their job under the worst circumstances? You don’t know your friends as well as you think, because you’re not with them when they are under constant of having to deal with abused children, murdered children, abused animals, the same pile of trash ever single day. I can guarantee you that, to get through their day, they are saying inappropriate that would burn your virgin ears.
I work with the police. I have some insight as to the kinds of cases they have to deal with daily, if they are working in the city.
Cops generally work 12 hour shifts. 4-on and 4-off. That’s pretty standard for most cops that don’t work in small towns. That’s not overtime. That is their standard schedule where I am. When they are working, it’s work and sleep and food. There is no off-time during their on-schedule.
Yes, when they are dealing with the public they should be professional. I am in agreement with you there. However, when they can have a moment of privacy and dealing with other cops or dispatchers, it’s unreasonable when officers, are not dealing with the public, to have to use controlled language.
You are not rescuing children or other vulnerable people from abused situations. Whatever your work is, it is not as deadly to your soul as a cop’s job is.
You don’t speak like a priest when in your car and whatever, but you want the cops to do that. Professionalism with the public, sure. Between themselves, I don’t care. If I were part of a civilian board with this complaint, and it was during a moment between themselves, I would vote on the side of the cop.
Again, your expectations is why 1000 people die every year in Chicago because cops are damned I do not doubt that you’d rather have all the terrible things in society that you can imagine happen, then cops who use salty language or terrible jokes during moments of privacy. That’s a messed up priority system, but you are free to have that. Just don’t complain if nobody is around to rescue the vulnerable because I will point out to you that was your preference, no cops vs salty cops. I will make a point of remembering this and I will watch for you to ask, ‘Where were the police?”
Anyone who had a police scanner could hear it.
Many police radios are now digitally encrypted. However, I really don’t care what is said over the radio. If the officer did his job, he can say what he wants in the car and within the system.
There’s been far more coverage of the earthquake aftermath in Morocco than coverage of Lahaina.
Lahaina makes democrats from its mayor to governor, congressman, senators on up to FJB look bad.
Can’t have that.
I disagree. This is why cops SHOULD wear body cameras because it shows what side they are really on.
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The investigation ultimately showed that the police car was going above 70 in a 25 mph zone. This detective, who had just arrived on the scene, did not have all the facts. I’m not sure what you mean by “what side” the cops are “really on.” As to his comments, they were private and not atypical of a lot of comments made my lots of people. There are 10,000 off-color jokes circulating the internet about Aaron Rodgers and his season-ending injury. Police, judges, lawyers, doctors,nurses, etc. get numb to tragedies.
“Have you ridden along with them when they have to do their job under the worst circumstances?”
Yes, I have. I volunteer for my town CERT team and work with the Fire Corps. Any other questions? I’ve done about half a dozen ride alongs over the last few years. Seen some nasty stuff, too. A dead kid hit by a drunk was about the worst. Although there was the drunken idiot who thought it would be a good idea to walk along railroad tracks at night. He was scattered for about 100 yards or so.
Once again, being inside a city owned vehicle talking on a City owned radio is NOT a situation where anyone has an expectation of privacy. I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that very simple fact. Every word he utters is subject to FOIA requests. That’s just the world we live in. And he should know that. If he didn’t that’s a very big problem.
Half the country right now is just waiting, cell phones in hand, for cops to screw up so they can yell “See! They’re all heartless ***holes!” And this bonehead handed them a perfect example on a silver platter. He should be disciplined for that alone if nothing else.
He’s made the job of every other cop on that Department more difficult because he didn’t use his head. THAT is the problem I have with him.
Is being a cop a tough job? Damned straight it is. Do they have to deal with the absolute dregs of society? Damned straight they do. Do they have to deal with decent people who are having the worst day of their lives? Once again, damned straight they do. THAT is exactly why cops need to be professional at ALL times while they’re on the clock.
Cops have a tremendous amount of power so they absolutely MUST be held to the highest standards of behavior. If they’re not then everyone suffers. The good cops who get compared to the boneheaded ones AND the public they’ve sworn to “serve and protect”. His behavior eroded the trust between the Department and the public. THAT is the problem here.
I don’t hate cops. We need good cops. Hell, we need a lot more good ones these days. But what we can’t have are cops who can’t keep their damned mouths shut when whats left of an innocent girl is being scraped off the bumper of a police car.
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You live in a small town, by your admission. A murder is basically a generational thing in small town America. It’s front page news when somebody is murdered in small town America and, according to the stereotype, the criminal is always named Dwayne.
That is a far different culture in Big cities, where handling the worst that humanity has to offer is a nightly thing. You can get a dozen incidents of the worst that humanity has to offer on every shift. Your expectation is that they should be professional, no matter what they find and deal with is unreasonable. It’s not even on this side of the galaxy in remoteness of reasonableness.
You sound like those anti-war activists who want soldiers prosecuted for shooting a terrorist dead, while not waiting for the terrorist to set off his bomb before not responding. They are being as reasonable about soldiers as you are about police officers.
Cell phone photographs don’t because we are in agreement when they are operating in public they should conduct themselves appropriately. But when they are operating with an expectation of privacy, there should be no expectation of professionalism, if it means dealing with what they have to deal with.
If a cop can keep professional at all times, then he’s in a cream puff job. Your expectation of police officers might fit a small town, but in no way would it work in the city.
You claim to not hate cops, but your expectations of them would drive them out of the police force.
Folks who work in morgues are the kings of gallows humor. Good thing nobody records the things they say.
Morgue pranks involve using electricity to moving a body part to surprise a mortician. It’s funny when you watch the videos of a guy who is about to prepare a body and the body suddenly sits up.
Ha, I can only imagine.
The police ARE NOT on our side. The sooner Freepers get this through their heads the better.
“ But when they are operating with an expectation of privacy..”
Once again, Skippy. Sitting in a city owned vehicle talking on a city owned radio on a city owned street while investigating the death of a citizen at the hands of another cop is NOT a place where a public employee has ANY expectation of privacy. That has been litigated over and over and over again. I don’t know why you are unable to grasp that very simple fact.
He had ZERO expectation of privacy and he should know that. The Police Chief of my town tells his cops to assume that every move they make and every word they say while on duty can and probably will end up on the front page of the newspaper. So they should conduct themselves accordingly. If he by some miracle didn’t know that then that Department has some serious training issues.
So this conversation is over.
Have a pleasant day.
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