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Titanic submersible lost at sea raises legal questions for high-risk businesses
NBC ^ | 6/22/23 | Tom Wile

Posted on 06/22/2023 11:40:24 AM PDT by DallasBiff

What happens when a dangerous activity goes wrong? The existence of a waiver form may not deter a wrongful death lawsuit.

The decision by five people to undertake a dangerous and most likely ill-fated undersea voyage to visit the wreck of the Titanic is raising questions on many fronts.

What prompted the travelers? A shared sense of adventure and a curiosity about the sunken Titanic wreckage — itself a 111-year-old deep-sea monument.

Led by OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush, the passengers — British businessman Hamish Harding; Shahzada Dawood who is a member of a wealthy Pakistani family along with his son, Suleman; and Paul Henry "P.H." Nargeolet, a French seafarer and Titanic expert — boarded the Titan, a carbon-fiber submersible vessel, on Sunday, June 18.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: canada; davyjoneslocker; lawyerstotherescue; nannystatepromo; oceangateexpeditions; socialismsaves; titanic
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What happens when a dangerous activity goes wrong? The existence of a waiver form may not deter a wrongful death lawsuit.

Uh Mr. reporter, they participated in a dangerous activity, and they signed a waiver, basically case closed.

1 posted on 06/22/2023 11:40:24 AM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

What were the insurance premiums on that thing?


2 posted on 06/22/2023 11:42:57 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: DallasBiff

Now the dims will propose a YUGE overarching, prohibitive law to keep us “safe” and give more power to the government.


3 posted on 06/22/2023 11:43:07 AM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: DallasBiff

Quicker than an implosion at 12,500 ft below sea level, the lawsuit sharks are circling for a bite.


4 posted on 06/22/2023 11:45:09 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Don't be obtuse)
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To: DallasBiff

It would make a nice memorial without the tourist visitation. Close it, Bismark too, if you want to commemorate, a surface wreath laying is appropriate, it is a mass grave afterall.


5 posted on 06/22/2023 11:49:12 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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“Titanic submersible lost at sea raises legal questions for high-risk businesses”

Those non-inspiring 50 year old white guys and their relevant experience and expertise is looking pretty good now huh?


6 posted on 06/22/2023 11:51:11 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: DallasBiff

Someone needs to get to the bottom of the reason/s for the alleged 8 hour delay in notification/call for assistance.


7 posted on 06/22/2023 11:51:44 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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Those non-inspiring 50 year old white guys and their relevant experience and expertise is looking pretty good now huh?

Huh?

8 posted on 06/22/2023 11:54:10 AM PDT by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: ryderann

This guy is talking the legal ramifications coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1UvQj0ABjI&t=808s


9 posted on 06/22/2023 11:55:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: DallasBiff

Since they lied about it being capable of going to 4000 meters then any waiver is going to be worthless.


10 posted on 06/22/2023 11:55:35 AM PDT by Revel
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To: DallasBiff
"Safe and effective"

That seemed to be acceptable to the govt and pharma, covers all the bases.

11 posted on 06/22/2023 11:58:07 AM PDT by New Perspective (As Leonard Cohen said once in an interview, “You won’t like what comes after America”)
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To: dforest

Mucho thanks.


12 posted on 06/22/2023 11:59:33 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: Revel
Since they lied about it being capable of going to 4000 meters then any waiver is going to be worthless

Well two of the passengers were billionaires, they couldn't inspect the submarine independently?

It almost seems the billionaires are liable.

13 posted on 06/22/2023 12:01:45 PM PDT by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: DallasBiff; xzins

A negligence waiver is not effective against gross negligence or criminal negligence. Also a failure to fully inform the parties of the actual risk is fraud.

That thing was not even sea worthy, much less capable of safely navigating to 12000 feet. They knew that, but at a million dollars a trip, the owners were willing to take a risk that the passengers were not fully advised of.

In my opinion, the operators of that company are guilty of criminal negligence.

But I doubt that the families of billionaires are going to go after money from a bankrupt company.

But somebody might go to jail.


14 posted on 06/22/2023 12:03:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: DallasBiff

Try to keep up. :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac


15 posted on 06/22/2023 12:04:28 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: Revel

How do you know the depth they reached before the vessel was destroyed?


16 posted on 06/22/2023 12:05:16 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: P-Marlowe
But I doubt that the families of billionaires are going to go after money from a bankrupt company.

His wife was part of the executive committee, not sure if they can go after his/her personal assets.

17 posted on 06/22/2023 12:05:25 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Revel

“Since they lied about it being capable of going to 4000 meters then any waiver is going to be worthless.”

Yes, it was a not-in-good-faith contract or something, not binding.


18 posted on 06/22/2023 12:07:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: P-Marlowe
A negligence waiver is not effective against gross negligence or criminal negligence. Also a failure to fully inform the parties of the actual risk is fraud.

That thing was not even sea worthy, much less capable of safely navigating to 12000 feet. They knew that, but at a million dollars a trip, the owners were willing to take a risk that the passengers were not fully advised of

Like I said shouldn't have the billionaires had an independent study to check for safety, it's not like they couldn't afford it..

19 posted on 06/22/2023 12:07:47 PM PDT by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: DallasBiff

It doesn’t matter. They were defrauded.

And criminal negligence voids any waiver.

I doubt if this company had any liability insurance ( I cannot think of any insurance company that would have written a policy for this company) so suing it will only cost the plaintiffs money. They will never see a dime. But their attorneys will gladly take their money.


20 posted on 06/22/2023 12:18:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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