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1 posted on 07/02/2022 2:41:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Will” fall?!

Wrong tense...


2 posted on 07/02/2022 2:42:46 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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It's a good essay, but I'm very surprised he put climate change in the list of root causes of the loss of the Roman Republic:
Added to greed, avarice, and incompetence was a mix of climate change, unstable borders, and an elite population soaked in corruption.
I wonder if he is overly optimistic in his conclusion...
America has stronger foundations than Rome ever knew, and those foundations not only seem to be holding, many Americans are rediscovering those foundations in the midst of a modern contest for the soul of the nation.
Americans are indeed pushing back against the project to destroy the USA and are rediscovering the foundations of America, but we are in the late stages of a fight to the death. Is it possible to save the nation at this late date? It's a race against time -- the evil leftist destruction vs. the awakening of Americans to the existential threats. Can patriotic Americans do something fast enough and substantive enough to stop the leftist project?
4 posted on 07/02/2022 2:53:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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“What is important here is that the American Founders were not naïve about the weaknesses of Rome.”

People have such little faith in the constitution

At least Justice Thomas has sense


6 posted on 07/02/2022 2:54:51 PM PDT by stanne
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Its in the process.


7 posted on 07/02/2022 2:57:11 PM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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I absolutely promise I can fix it, but, it won’t be a republic anymore for a while, at least. A lot of folks would love the results.


8 posted on 07/02/2022 2:58:00 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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No nation could survive what the United States is now undergoing 24/7 for very long.


11 posted on 07/02/2022 2:59:24 PM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: SeekAndFind; LS

Ask LS about history...He’s the expert.....


12 posted on 07/02/2022 3:02:15 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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My father's brother, a brilliant and highly successful man, told me, shortly before he died back in the 1970s, that the USA would likely go the way of the Roman Empire some day.

I believed that, because it made sense historically and because of his towering intellect, but I couldn't imagine how it could possibly come about, and I thought it would happen only in the far distant future.

Now I see it unfolding before my eyes.

Wokism is as depraved as anything the Romans concocted in their decadent period.

The January 6 Committee is also.

Corruption in the Federal Government is ubiquitous and alarming.

US politicians are willing to sell America to the highest bidder.

Hollywood movies, TV programs, and popular culture spew filth everywhere.

US cities are hellholes of violence, drug abuse, and crime. Their sidewalks and parks are littered with human excrement, drug paraphernalia, and loiters.

American culture has sunk to the level of the Roman decadent period.

American schools teach students to hate their country. They also teach explicit sex.

And the worst thing of all is that millions of Americans DON'T CARE--either that, or they are TOO STUPID to understand what's happening.

13 posted on 07/02/2022 3:03:33 PM PDT by Savage Beast (You are not walking this path alone--all who walked before you are lifting you. --Michael Singer)
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Unfortunately this is an accurate assessment of where America is at right now. The best thing that could happen at this point would be splitting America into Red America and Blue America (doubtless someone will come up with more creative names) and letting each take its course.


14 posted on 07/02/2022 3:04:52 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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America, like Rome, was founded as a republic.

Rome didn’t become Imperial until Octavius defeated his rivals to his adopted father Julius seat and then became Augustus Ceasar.

They did 600+ years as a Republic, and 500 years as an Empire.


16 posted on 07/02/2022 3:05:47 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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Perhaps it’s our Heavenly Father’s reaction when free will turns to immorality and decadence.


17 posted on 07/02/2022 3:07:26 PM PDT by ryderann
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History of Rome podcasts by Mike Duncan.

Yep, the USA is on a downhill slide, IMHO.


18 posted on 07/02/2022 3:09:57 PM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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Hi.

The U.S. doesn’t get a mention in the book of Revelations.

Just sayin

5.56mm


19 posted on 07/02/2022 3:11:52 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho got to go.)
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If we have an all-powerful central government then all of us fall. If we have power shared between it and the states, basically there are 51 entities and all of them aren’t going to fall.


20 posted on 07/02/2022 3:12:05 PM PDT by cymbeline
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Rome was also beset by a population whose reproduction fell below replacement level and the influx of foreign populations given citizenship for little or no participation. Fortunately the United States isn't...oh, wait a minute...never mind.

I remain optimistic, however. The American model depends on a population that demands freedom and is willing to work for it. There have been several periods when that has lapsed into laziness and plenty and a desire for security over freedom but they have been brief - unfortunately, brief because they were interrupted by war and economic disaster. Two-edged sword there. Still, while some of those Roman invaders sacked the place there were some who composed some of Rome's most loyal and brilliant citizens, even during the decline, and became the authors of the new Christian civilization to follow.

21 posted on 07/02/2022 3:13:42 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Added to greed, avarice, and incompetence was a mix of climate change, unstable borders, and an elite population soaked in corruption. All told, you have a basic understanding of what destroyed the Roman world.

There are about forty different reasons the Roman Empire collapsed, but I think the number one reason was the cultural differences between East and West. By 250 AD, the Christian East was simply no longer compatible with the pagan West.

Another important secondary reason was that the wealthy and productive Eastern provinces got weary of sending their wealth (annual tax payments) to a corrupt and decadent Rome.

23 posted on 07/02/2022 3:16:22 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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Well if we do go all the way down Rome’s road, best to have a plan of Reconstruction. I am ready!


25 posted on 07/02/2022 3:18:24 PM PDT by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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Migration/immigration destroys. There is nothing conservative about r's and d's. Rip USA.


29 posted on 07/02/2022 3:30:32 PM PDT by Theoria
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The Roman Empire didn’t have the Internet, the perfect vehicle for curiosity.


30 posted on 07/02/2022 3:31:41 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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Americans had a lot of energy. They were able to direct their excess energy outward, first in territorial expansion, then in trade, then in military activity.

When the Cold War ended we were on top of the world. We didn't have anywhere else to go. Our efforts in the Middle East sputtered out.

So now we turn our energy inward on each other. Instead of building up the country, people are tearing it down because it gives them something to do and a feeling of being useful.

Maybe we will once again find a goal for all of our activity. Maybe it will be to keep up with China. Maybe China passes us and they become the active, world-changing, world dominating nation.

It's tough. When you're at the top, you don't have anywhere to go. Then one day you wake up and realize that you aren't on top anymore and haven't been for some time.

31 posted on 07/02/2022 3:33:01 PM PDT by x
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