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The Casket Letters (Mary Queen of Scots) - On This Day in History
The Tudor Society ^ | June 20 | Claire Ridgway

Posted on 06/21/2022 6:44:23 PM PDT by texas booster

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OK, so I missed the June 20th anniversary!

But it certainly makes for good reading of history.

1 posted on 06/21/2022 6:44:23 PM PDT by texas booster
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John Guy's UK Amazon page

for those that want a reference to the book cited in the article.

2 posted on 06/21/2022 6:47:05 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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Mary was really a clueless dope very often. She should have allowed Knox to think he had converted her and nominally become a Protestant. If Paris was worth a mass than Edinburgh was worth a baptism. Knox as an ally and confederate would have been a powerful pillar of support. Over the long haul, even if Mary had to fly the coop from Scotland as a Princess converted to the reforming faith she would have been a guest not a potential focus of sedition in England. In passing, have there have been any more complete set of fools in history than the Catholic gentry who involved themselves in such idiocies as the Babington plot.


3 posted on 06/21/2022 7:29:27 PM PDT by robowombat (Orth, all y)
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The death of Mary Queen of Scots- Monty Python
4 posted on 06/21/2022 7:34:50 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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Stupid woman.


5 posted on 06/21/2022 7:49:41 PM PDT by crz
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Back then, lots of the ‘royals’ were killing each other or arranging for the deaths, imprisonment, or banishment of others.

And marriage among them wasn’t more than a business contract.


6 posted on 06/21/2022 7:52:48 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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The whole of the Stuarts were imbeciles.

James was a queer, Charles was an idiot, his son was also an idiot. James had to get out of dodge because he was an idiot.

I guess the only two might have been Mary-William and Mary, and last Ann-who was also weird.

I can only count..up to the Hanoverian's, a few monarchs who were worth anything. Edward the 3rd comes to mind.

7 posted on 06/21/2022 7:56:28 PM PDT by crz
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I suppose Queen Anne might have been a bit odd, she had 13 still births and miscarraiges and one son who dies at 13.


8 posted on 06/21/2022 9:55:31 PM PDT by robowombat (Orth, all y)
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Well, she had lady friends that she favored. One of them the ancestor of Winston Churchill I understand.

I supposed the child birth problems might have had something to do with it mentally.

Of course James the 1st was a out and out queer. Yet he managed to do his “duty” and father children.

My dearest Steenie...or how ever one spells it. He very seldom took a bath, stunk, name it and the man was..I mean who the hell jumps into a gut pile of a deer and wallows in it after it is dressed out.
I dont know which would have been considered the worst as far as that goes, He or Edward the 2nd.


9 posted on 06/21/2022 10:13:23 PM PDT by crz
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"...James was a queer, Charles was an idiot, his son was also an idiot. James had to get out of dodge because he was an idiot...."

And The Bonnie Price might have been the dullest Crayola in the box.

10 posted on 06/22/2022 2:22:19 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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Well..he wasna to sharp that is for sure.

Another case where “close” only counts in horse shoes.


11 posted on 06/22/2022 3:12:19 PM PDT by crz
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The Stuarts were too foreign to rule England. They were still stuck in the pre-Magna Carta mindset. The idea of the monarch or nobility being under any sort of restraint was totally alien to them.

They were used to doing what they wanted, when they wanted and how they wanted.

The reason that England under Elizabeth flourished was that she had the support of the commoners, the Yeoman and the merchant class.

12 posted on 06/22/2022 3:31:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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Monty Python Instant Record Collection, Vol. 2 © 1976 Arista Records LLC
Death Of Mary Queen Of Scots | November 8, 2014 | Monty Python - Topic
Death Of Mary Queen Of Scots | November 8, 2014 | Monty Python - Topic

13 posted on 08/13/2022 8:51:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: texas booster; 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; BradyLS; ...
This topic was posted 6/21/2022, thanks texas booster.
The other GGG topics added since the previous digest ping, chrono sort:

14 posted on 08/13/2022 8:56:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Excellent!

Thanks!

‘Face

;o]


15 posted on 08/13/2022 9:52:57 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Who keeps not his arms in times of peace, will have no arms in times of war. Scots-Gaelic proverb.)
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My pleasure.

16 posted on 08/13/2022 3:40:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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MQofS’s grandmother was sister to Henry VIII.

Margaret Tudor Queen of Scotland Facts, Biography & Information
https://englishhistory.net/tudor/relative/margaret-tudor/


17 posted on 08/13/2022 3:48:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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The ‘royals’ of UK history were mainly scoundrels. ALL of them. Murderers, backstabbers, cowards and liars.

There were probably only a handful that were decent people.....................


18 posted on 08/15/2022 5:45:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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Thanks for the relink.

I listened to the Monty Python skit, and wondered - is it better to teach history through a book or a Python skit?

I suspect that we need both.


19 posted on 08/15/2022 6:24:17 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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They are funny, here and there, but it hasn't held up well for me. I enjoy the absurdity, but not their artless left wing smears and digs.

20 posted on 08/15/2022 6:31:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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