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US Navy FIRES USS Connecticut Commanding Officer, Executive Officer and Chief of the Boat after $3.1bn nuclear-powered attack submarine collided with 'uncharted seamount' in South China Sea
UK Daily Mail ^ | 11/04/2021 | Shannon Thaler and Ross Ibbetson

Posted on 11/04/2021 2:24:24 PM PDT by DFG

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To: The Westerner

Bubblehead is a nickname for submariners, particularly USN ones.


81 posted on 11/04/2021 3:45:12 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: libertylover
I wonder if the Navy charts for that area are accurate?


One would like to think so.

One of the things that came up after the USS San Francisco ran into an underground mountain in 2005 was that while the US Navy may have mapped the sea floor, it didn't mean that a) the mapping is very accurate (the location of the mountain was two miles off in the 2005 incident), or b) that the information was in the hands of those navigating the boat.

At first glance, this incident seems to have a lot in common with the 2005 incident involving the USS San Francisco, more information on which can be found here:

www.nationalinterest.org

82 posted on 11/04/2021 3:45:43 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: Diplomat

“There is no unmapped areas of the ocean floor. That statement is a lie. It’s likely just cover for gross incompetance navigation failure.”

That’s what I was thinking also.


83 posted on 11/04/2021 3:46:05 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: nascarnation

Sorry but I don’t have a Linked account that allows me to access your link


84 posted on 11/04/2021 3:48:34 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Without potatoes, life has no meaning......)
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To: Al B.
Thanks for that tidbit.

(I had to look up that name myself because I was responding to another poster's comment. While I recalled that the ship was traveling at a high rate of speed, I didn't realize until now that it was apparently going all out.)

(One of those on board described the aftermath of a collision as a "slaughterhouse", as there was apparently blood everywhere; it seems as if they are fortunate that they only lost one life.)

85 posted on 11/04/2021 3:48:38 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: Diplomat

With over 20 years of Navy experience I can say with complete confidence, you are wrong.

We (humans) have better and more accurate maps of the surface of the Moon and Mars than we do of the Earth’s ocean floors. I have been in areas were only a small part of the area had ever been surveyed and that was over 200 years ago. The rest was a big fat unknown.

There is a very limited hydrographic survey capacity in the world and even less high quality capacity (like 5 Eyes/NATO/Japan/South Korea/Singapore). The world’s oceans are vast and even an area like the South China Sea isn’t completely charted, and even things that were previously charted can be wrong, misplaced by miles, or changed.


86 posted on 11/04/2021 3:48:46 PM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: Diplomat

“The entire ocean floor is mapped. This can only be gross incompetence piloting the sub or as other players have suggested, china created a new mound on the ocean floor there.”

Now that I give this some thought, it IS possible that the floor of the ocean could change, especially around the “ring of fire”. Nature may have created a new mound. Underground volcanoes have to start somewhere.


87 posted on 11/04/2021 3:49:14 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

You must see a lot of vaccidents.


88 posted on 11/04/2021 3:50:21 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Salman

That picture is wrong on so many levels.


89 posted on 11/04/2021 3:53:41 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Blueflag

Interesting.

You see those same types in business.

Some people can do stuff.

And others are more about doing career.


90 posted on 11/04/2021 3:58:23 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: pas

Technically speaking, we now know that there is a seamount somewhere in an area couple of miles wide. It’s exact position, depth, and area coverage would still be unknown.

Someone (preferably either a 5 Eyes nation or Japan/South Korea/Singapore) needs to send hydrographic survey ships to do a formal survey of the area. Easier said than done as there isn’t a huge survey capacity at start with and they are some of the busiest ships in any Navy and quality commercial survey ships have years of back orders just supporting oil exploration.


91 posted on 11/04/2021 4:02:33 PM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: wgmalabama

This is somewhat confusing. It sounds as if you are saying they need to be making noise to know where they or something else is in the water.
I thought we were a little more capable than that.


92 posted on 11/04/2021 4:07:22 PM PDT by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: DFG
And to think I thought this was a seamount


93 posted on 11/04/2021 4:07:50 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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To: sphinx

The South China Sea has been an area of considerable interest for a long time. I’m surprised that there could still be an uncharted seamount.

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That’s right. WWII and the Vietnam War afforded opportunities to “get to know” the area. The area is pretty well charted.

The sub had to have hit something other than a seamount.

The Spratley’s artificial islands are in the South China Sea. Just saying.


94 posted on 11/04/2021 4:12:10 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: colorado tanker
With all three of them relieved I’m guessing this was not an “unknown” seamount.

I'm former Army, but in my experience, the entire chain of command is relieved only when there's a major eff up.

I was an Air Defense Artillery officer, in a composite Chaparral/Vulcan battalion in Germany...short range AD. A few miles off base was a Nike-Hercules battery, that had "special" weapons. I got to know the officers there quite well, as one of my "extra duties" was to lead a 40 man reserve force should they be attacked by terrorists or other bad guys.

At least every six months, they had a Nuclear Surety Inspection. Their outbriefings were attended by the ENTIRE chain of command of 32nd AADCOM, to include the Deputy CG flying in from Darmstadt. I was there, too, with my Battery Commander, due to my reserve force's participation...and yes, we were evaluated too.

There was one battery that flunked their NSI...the entire chain of command, up to and including the Group Commander (full bird colonel), were relieved on the spot. So yeah, pucker factor was high in the moments before the outbriefing.

One of my most memorable days of my undistinguished military career came during one of those NSIs. I was in high spirits when we arrived with my reserve force 30 minutes prior to mission time. However, the chief evaluator, a prickly LT Colonel started give me a ration of fecal matter: "you're only five miles away, how come it took you 3 1/2 hours to get here?"

Simple answer: we had to assemble 40 men, get the right equipment, and train them for the mission before we left our motor pool. My guys were air defenders and mechanics, who hadn't seen small unit infantry tactics since Basic Training.

I told the LTC, "I was giving my soldiers the extra training they needed to accomplish whatever mission they were given." He didn't like my answer, but I wasn't backing down.

As we fast forward to the outbriefing, that was the only negative comment he could come up with. Needless to say, I was one pissed off LT, and the officers in the other battery were chuckling, the pressure was off them.

After the evaluation team left, our DCG, a one star, goes up to the podium for congratulatory remarks. First thing he does is points his finger at me and says, "LT NHN, I will take that hit for you. Anytime you want to give your soldiers extra training, you have my express permission." That, in my opinion, was VERY cool...lol.

95 posted on 11/04/2021 4:14:46 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: larrytown

A SEAWOLF class attack sub in the South China Sea - a scary thought for Chinese Navy.

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Not while Biden is in office.


96 posted on 11/04/2021 4:15:34 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Disambiguator
That picture is wrong on so many levels.

LOL, I'd say that picture is wrong on EVERY level imaginable.

97 posted on 11/04/2021 4:17:41 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: TheLooseThread

Remember, WWII submarines were ineffective until a new breed of rash, almost dangerous, commanders took them over.

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Very competent and aggressive CO’s and crews during the Cold War. Their exploits are legendary.


98 posted on 11/04/2021 4:19:05 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Diplomat

Maybe the Chinese have portable underwater mountain tech or more likely the sub ran into a submerged drill rig. Either way retarded clown car.


99 posted on 11/04/2021 4:20:48 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Dundee

I worked 30 years for a military defense contractor which designs and builds the passive and active sonar systems in those subs and the entire sea floor map is in some of those systems. I’m not saying the sea floor isn’t changing over time or that sudden and even dramatic changes haven’t occurred, they have. But what’s been released about this incident isn’t the whole story of what happened.


100 posted on 11/04/2021 4:23:56 PM PDT by Diplomat
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