Wayne Allyn Root: "Flu now wrapped into COVID"

Twitter ^ | Dec 20 | Wayne Allyn Root

[RandFan]

@RealWayneRoot

Funny how mainstream media reports in big headlines “Covid cases” but there’s no flu this flu season? Where did old fashioned flu go? It disappeared? Used to kill 50k to 80k per year with no headlines, no panic, no lockdowns, no businesses closed. Now wrapped into COVID.

[Mom MD]

The other issue is grand county is a small county in the mountains that has been totally devastated by a large wildfire this fall. They have had a lot more to do than worry about covid statistics

[ridesthemiles]

There have been people counted as having died of Covid when they never even got tested.

Die at age 22 in a motorcycle accident & COD is shown as COVID ?????

NEVER WAS TESTED. MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT...FATAL....

[ridesthemiles]

ALL their other surgeries were cancelled....

Where do YOU think they are getting the $$$$$$ to stay open???

[unlearner]

“Welcome to FR btw. Looks like you arrived here just in time to defend the plandemic/casedemic narrative.”

Ditto.

[Mom MD]

please tell me what that has to do woth flu season or the myth of docs being coerced to diagnose everyone with covid? In a fatal accident it is usually the coroner who indicates the manner of death not a doc or hospital

[Pigsley]

I’m not Dr./nurse....I thought the doctor was instructed by the CDC to say ‘cause of death’, say heart attack WITH COVID 19. Then these #s go into the covid category with medicare/insurance paying much more for the WITH COVID 19. And the WITH COVID 19 go into official deaths in all the charts, repeated by msm. Are you saying this is not correct information?

[InterceptPoint]

They are not making physicians do any such thing. I am entirely free to diagnose any illness with no pressure from the hospital or anyone else. This over the top garbage has to stop.
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Thanks for your input. Speculation passing as fact is not unheard of here on good old FR.

But given that we have your attention can you comment on what I have heard about the lack of flu infections and deaths this cycle. Is that true or just another fantasy and is there a non-COVID explanation if it is true.

[Mom MD]

I have commented up thread. We are not seeing much flu. It may be a light flu season or it may just be too early. There are years where we don’t see significant flu until january or february

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Yeah no, that’s not completely accurate as the real answer is that it depends on the situation.

There are two causes of death on the US Standard Certificate of Death: the underlying cause of death (which is the disease or injury which initiates the chain of events leading directly to death) and the immediate cause of death, which is whatever turned the lights out at the end of that chain of events. They’re listed as the first and last lines filled out in Section 32 of the US Standard Certificate of Death Part 1: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/death11-03final-acc.pdf. For an easy example, let’s take a cancer patient. The person loses their battle with cancer and passes away. Section 32 Part 1 will list cancer (the specific type of cancer) on line b, c, or d. Line a is our immediate cause of death, which might be multiple organ failure in our example. In between, we might have other events that happened which were caused by cancer and which resulted in multiple organ failure. But the most important are the last line (UCOD) and the top line (immediate cause of death). In Part 2, conditions that complicated survival for this patient - but were NOT in the direct chain of events - would be listed. Was the patient diabetic? Did they have asthma? If these made it more challenging for this person to survive, but weren’t directly related to the UCOD, they get listed here.

Now let’s take your example of a heart attack. First let’s assume we have a patient with a history of heart issues who comes in with heart pains, has a massive heart attack, and dies. They get tested for COVID-19, comes up negative. Autopsy sees no indication of tissue damage consistent with COVID-19; just progressive damage to the heart and evidence of blockages in various locations. This is NOT listed as a COVID-19 death. COVID-19 is NOT listed anywhere on the certificate of death.

Now let’s modify this example and assume the same patient, same history comes in and dies. Test now comes up positive, however there’s no evidence of any tissue damage aside from that expected in a patient with a history of heart failure. It’s possible the medical examiner would include the positive COVID-19 test on Part II, but probably not. COVID-19 would NOT be included in Part I. This is NOT a COVID-19 death.

Let’s modify this further and say we got a positive test and our deceased patient shows significant damage to the epithelial cells in the lung tissue and clots in various tissues that have NOT been observed in past examination, then COVID-19 is likely going to be listed somewhere in Part I and the death will be included in the COVID-19 stats. Why? Because this looks like a case where COVID-19’s clotting damage has prematurely ended the person’s life.

There are some more gray areas where you’re relying on the best judgement of the medical professionals involved, but CDC’s guidance says exactly that: use your best judgement based on professional training and experience. It’s in the CDC Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19) (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf). I would encourage you to read it. It’s a pretty short document and pretty easy to understand. They push for testing wherever possible to confirm diagnoses, and they are clearly looking for accuracy rather than pumping up a given number.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

To expand on this, flu season is variable from year to year. Sometimes it begins very early (like last year), even into October. Sometimes there's little flu activity seen until much later, even as late as March. Here's the graph of previous years' flu season peaks:

More context around this is available here. So far this year, we've seen low flu activity into December. That's not all that unusual. If we were in the middle of March right now and still hadn't seen much flu activity? That would be worth exploring why that is. Changes in behavior? A difference in the flu strains active? More people getting the flu vaccine? Who knows. But since we're only in December, it's not even worth looking at because we're still well within the range of what is normal for flu season.

[Wuli]

Yes, according to the CDC accumulated data and their own statements, the flu season this year is unusually low.

But is it really? Is not “Covid-19” about to join Influenza A and Influenza B as just another one of the typical “seasonal flu” bugs, and as in the past, which MOST people will either not be bothered by or will survive if they are bothered by them? Yes, that regularity, at mature (reduced) rates is what can be expected to happen with Covid-19. Herd immunity will develop one way or another and the “pandemic” nature of the bug will end, while the bug itself will not go away.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

[euram]

Just a few weeks ago only IOWA was reporting a flu outbreak.

I just checked the CDC website and see only OKLAHOMA is reporting moderate flu and the rest of the country is at minimal.

I’m sure most flu cases are being called COVID for political as well as financial reasons.

[abclily]

The CDC is the source. Check it out.

[SecAmndmt]

“Go take a hike”

I won’t be taking a hike.

The “evidence-supported care” has given us hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

The wellness MDs treating cv19 don’t seem to rack up the body count, in numbers or % wise. I wonder why that is?

Sad that it is left to lay people and just a few MDs to spread the word about building immunity. Had a long talk with someone today about how public health authorities and most conventional MD advice is this: #wearthedamnmask and #getyourshots. How idiotic. Fauci says to do nothing until the cv19 patient is on supplemental oxygen. Criminal, stupid or both. The person I had spoken to today had heard NOTHING about blood levels of vitamin D, zinc, or of the adverse effects of excessive dietary sugar on immunity. Of course, I was not giving advice, but pointing her to educational resources to use to protect her family. I am sure most MDs would be horrified.

[SecAmndmt]

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/12/21/Experts-send-Vitamin-D-and-Covid-19-open-letter-to-world-s-governments

Vitamin D3 reduces covid19 and flu mortality

[2aProtectsTheRest]

I’m asking for an actual link. I follow CDC sources pretty closely and I haven’t seen anything about this.

[Sacajaweau]

Salmon, tuna, eggs.....and good ole sunshine!!

I eat plenty of these items and whether gray or sunny skies, you still get the Vit D. Obviously, necked would be even more beneficial but the Sheriff said they frown on that even for medical reasons.

[Yaelle]

Of course not. We never went into fly season with no restaurants, no schools, everyone masked and 6 ft apart, no holidays, no parties. Of course that would have an effect.

However, we may be making ourselves into susceptible sterile mice. We need that interaction (and these viruses etc) to keep the main part of our population strong.

[markman46]

bitch at congress

It is true that a section of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (or the CARES Act) calls for higher compensation from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) for the care of patients with a primary or secondary diagnosis of COVID-19. Contrary to what the posts claim, however, the measure is found in Section 3710, not 4409, and the increase is 20%, not 15%.

[Mom MD]

I use all kinds of therapies even including some you mentioned. However your nasty tone and know it all attitude deserve no answer. You do not know as much as you think. Go ahead and practice medicine without a license all you want. Your patients have an arrogant idiot for a doctor