The U.S. Army Wants to Know Where Enemy Bullets Are Coming From

nationalinterest.org ^ | Oct. 29, 2020 | Kris Osborn

[mad_as_he$$]

I am always up for frying bullets!

[MV=PY]

"They have that in our city. I guess you could put two mics up and triangulate with an iPhone app."

This is different. It uses the shock wave from the bullet, not just the acoustics of the shot itself. Check out the article.

[NoLibZone]

Also, Maher makes what might be a lesser known point, that an acoustic suppressor such as a silencer might remove or decrease a muzzle blast, yet not interfere with the shock waves described by Maher and Tousley.

[M Kehoe]

Good research.

It is sometimes very difficult to determine a threats location given certain terrain, weather etc.

OODA loop can be useful.

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[freeandfreezing]

Promising technology, but still needs some work to provide an instant, precise point of origin of the shooter, just my opinion.

Gathering that data is a perfect job for a few semi-autonomous drones that can fly over area where the shooters might be and therefore be able to gather shockwave and muzzle blast signatures from multiple locations where reflections are less likely to muddy the data.

And then they can designate the target area from above. Or just send in a smaller kill drone.

[TXnMA]

There are ways -- and then there are --WAYS-- to deal with snipers...

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"#2 Son" (recently-retired as CSM) made the great western sweep around Kuwait with the 82nd Airborne in Desert Storm. His unit made it all the way to An Nasiriyah, on the Euphrates River.

Son: "As we approached the Euphrates, we started taking sniper fire from the trees along the river..."

Then he changed subjects...

Dad (...later...) "What about those snipers in the trees?"

Son: "What trees...?" :-)

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TXnMA    '-)
  

(AKA "overwhelming firepower"...)

[TXnMA]

There are ways -- and then there are --WAYS-- to deal with snipers...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"#2 Son" (recently-retired as CSM) made the great western sweep around Kuwait with the 82nd Airborne in Desert Storm. His unit made it all the way to An Nasiriyah, on the Euphrates River.

Son: "As we approached the Euphrates, we started taking sniper fire from the trees along the river..."

Then he changed subjects...

Dad (...later...) "What about those snipers in the trees?"

Son: "What trees...?" :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TXnMA    '-)
  

(AKA "overwhelming firepower"...)

[TXnMA]

There are ways -- and then there are --WAYS-- to deal with snipers...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"#2 Son" (recently-retired as CSM) made the great western sweep around Kuwait with the 82nd Airborne in Desert Storm. His unit made it all the way to An Nasiriyah, on the Euphrates River.

Son: "As we approached the Euphrates, we started taking sniper fire from the trees along the river..."

Then he changed subjects...

Dad (...later...) "What about those snipers in the trees?"

Son: "What trees...?" :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TXnMA    '-)
  

(AKA "overwhelming firepower"...)

[marktwain]

A reasonable refinement is the ability of an orbiting drone to locate, target, and fire grenades at the source of incoming fire, using the same tech.

[TXnMA]

Triple posts?

Some sort of hangup in transmission. Post attempts showed no response from FR.

Is FR under DDOS attack again?

TXnMA   
  

[PROCON]

All your DDOS attacks are belong to us.

God bless your CSM son, great phone convo 😁😁

[T.B. Yoits]

Against snipers, the principal remedy is artillery. During WW2, they aimed bazooka, mortar, pack and field artillery fire towards the general vicinity of sniper fire.

...and since 1948, the Carl Gustaf, a shoulder mounted recoilless rifle that has seen a resurgence of use in Iraq and Afghanistan:

Sgt. Femath Shooting Carl Gustaf at Enemy Taliban Sniper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukMpiPFJO54

U.S. Army buying the latest iteration of the Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle:
https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/army-carl-gustaf-m3e1-upgrade-contract

Raytheon has developed a guided projectile for it (might help to keep your head down while firing):
https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/guided-carl-gustaf-munition

[smokingfrog]

Enemy bullets usually come from enemy guns. You pick up on this pretty quick on the battlefield. Sometimes you have to watch out for friendly fire too, which is really not all that friendly, believe it or not.

[Redcitizen]

I’ll take my bullets extra crispy with mashed potatoes.and gravy. Don’t forget the gravy.

[Manly Warrior]

Okay, everyone hold your fire while the sensors decide where the incoming fire is coming from.....

Too many echoes and obstacles to use plain acoustics, plus the urgent need for return fire.

Bullets are hot. IR emitters. What about a hovering drone with SWIR and a bit of vomputing power algorithm to “see” and differentiate incoming and outgoing promos. Net work a few together to validate and provide the unit a grid or at least a distance and direction....

Regarding sonic shock, our often encountered incoming small arms (762x39) is subsonic from about 400 yards out, but still heated and emitting IR.

[RetiredArmy]

Yup. Thanks. No parades or waving flags for us, but that is okay. I did what I did became I wanted to. I was not drafted in 1970, I enlisted. So, I asked for it. I joined because I wanted to serve. There were no draft dodgers around my area that I ever knew or heard of. No protests. No whining. We southerners have always answered the call to arms. My family has been in all our wars back to the Civil War up until I retired from the Army in 1992. Ater that, I don’t think we have had anyone that I am aware of in the whole family that has gone into the military. Sorry, but some people think it is better to live under the flag than serve under the flag. So, I was the end of a 145 or more year era. I was the last in uniform in my family.

[M Kehoe]

I liked the story twice.

Third time? Not so much.

8^)

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[Grimmy]

No, actually they want to know where fried bullets are coming from.

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Usually, they’re coming from the enemy.