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To: Chainmail

All the early shots look like misses to me.

Trite comment that lieutenant made, WWII was not decided by pistols. If it were, then explain how the Red Army kicked their German ass with a 7.62 Tokarev? Like you, I have also seen more than a few shootings, 45, 9, 38, and a 22. If a 45 makes you feel good, then carry it, there is not a thing wrong with it, BUT it’s no better than a 9 in reality. I have seen many people shot with a 45 live. And they react no differently than those shot with a 9... and none were “knocked down” or “stopped”. They crumple or stumble over like anyone else.

All of this is already true, but it’s true in spades with modern ammo.


68 posted on 07/16/2020 9:03:44 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino

RE 45 v 9mm

Agreed, All combat handguns are underpowered and a problem in search of a rifle.

It is a fact that any bullet can and will kill, modern 9mm 40 and 45 service pistols and loads are about as handy as one can get w/o entering the “not as effective due to recoil zone” Yeah, the 357 Mag is good but a wheeler.

My take on the whole equation is use what you can hit with and is a powerful as you can handle.

Finally, I carry a thing that starts with a “4” because I can. I like 40 SW, starts with a 4, carries more aboard than a similar sized 45 and has a bit more KE/penetration than a 9. I like 45 because they don’t make a useful 46.

A 9mm may expand, but a 40/45 will not shrink. Holes matter.

Good commentary DR.

Endnote: the deputy did good. Made some tactical decisions +/-, was resourceful and won. Bless her heart.


71 posted on 07/16/2020 9:25:56 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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