Flubros and Flubras! Day 36 (a place for Flubros and Flubras)

Www.freerepublic.com ^ | 25 April 2020 | Impimp

[RummyChick]

here is another test on survivability
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/experts-covid-19-pandemic-unlikely-ebb-weather-warms

just like with many things about this virus..still a lot of unknowns but:

Outside is better than inside for killing the virus.

Sun better than no sun

Rubbing Alcohol is a good killer of it

Hotter weather better than colder weather

[haffast]

It's infectious! One size fits all!

Get in line and try harder America!

[glennaro]

Until American men recover from their fear, pick their 'nads up off the floor and regain their courage and strength, and get out there and provide for their family, protect their family from the ego-driven politicians and "experts" drunk with power, and begin again to teach their sons how to develop into manhood, the New Hampshire state motto, "Live Free or Die" will remain displaced by the new American motto (the "new normal" if your mental faculties remain impaired) "Better Safe than Sorry"; alternatively, "It Is What It Is".

No one but them can complete this essential task ... it cannot be delegated or delayed.

[jrestrepo]

Yesterday, I did the math using the NY data on infection rates. The overall mortality for NY was 0.1988%.

I stand by what I say. If you are over 60 and/or have preexisting conditions, stay away from people. If not live your life, go to work, go to school, etc.

[Yogafist]

[Buckeye McFrog]

I’m looking at Trump’s Twitter feed right now and it appears he’s becoming the Crazy Eddie of ventilators.

[CodeJockey]

Sweden/Michigan update 4/24/20

Both have populations of 10 million.

Michigan mandatory lock down
Sweden strictly voluntary

Michigan 35,291 cases / 2,977 deaths
Sweden 17,567 cases / 2,152 deaths

go figure

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[sport]

In that case, the people in the United States of America had one hell of a reaction. With very, very few decisions.

[Buckeye McFrog]

That just tells me that Gretchen Whitmer
could muck-up a one car funeral.

[SisterK]

bump for later

[SisterK]

Yes, like other viruses, covid19 is neutralized within four minutes by UV or sunlight.

[SisterK]

Thanks for posting.
Stealth advertising by the enemy.

[USS Alaska]

Yep, and here you are before you put your head up your ass.

Thanks for your service, but your must have turned off your brain when you retired.

[daniel1212]

How did America endure (by the grace of God): Major modern influenza pandemics: Basic source is from Wikipedia, but with specific US data added as well as for the 2017-18 flu season, with other words in [brackets] being added, and formatting improved, while reference numbers are removed for clarity (see original for such)

Name	[Main]Date	U.S. population	World pop.	Sub-type	Reproduction rate	Infected W.W. (est.)	U.S. Deaths	[Tot.] Deaths world-wide	U.S. fatality rate	[World] Case fatality rate	Pandemic severity	I also added this column: During the 2017-2018 flu season the the % of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks, and exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. For this 2019-20 season, the CDC reports (March 28) that deaths due to P&I was 7.4%, which is above the epidemic threshold of 7.3%. The increase is due to an increase in pneumonia deaths rather than influenza deaths and may be associated with COVID-19. However, the CDC reported that the flu rate is low even though the percentage of pneumonia and influenza is above the epidemic threshold of 7.0% for week 15. And here it listed 52,285 deaths for Week 13 and 49,292 deaths for Week 14 as of 4-18) ) for Influenza Deaths and Pneumonia Deaths combined. And note that some of the latter can be assigned to Covid.
1889–90 flu pandemic [Russian influenza]	1889–90	62,979,766	1.53 billion	Likely H3N8 or H2N2	2.10 (IQR, 1.9–2.4)[33]	20–60% (300–900 million)	[13,000**]	1 million	N/A	0.10–0.28%	2
1918 flu	1918–20	103,208,000	1.80 billion	H1N1	1.80 (IQR, 1.47–2.27)	33% (500 million) or >56% (>1 billion)	[500,000 to 675,000]	20–100 million	N/A	2–3% or ~4%, or ~10% ~10%	5
Asian flu	1957–58	171,984,130	2.90 billion	H2N2	1.65 (IQR, 1.53–1.70)	>17% (>500 million)	[116,000]	1–4 million	N/A	<0.2% [0.6%]	2
Hong Kong flu	1968–69	200,706,052	3.53 billion	H3N2	1.80 (IQR, 1.56–1.85)	>14% (>500 million)	[100,000]	1–4 million	N/A	<0.2%	2
2009 flu pandemic	2009–10	308,745,538	6.85 billion	H1N1/09	1.46 (IQR, 1.30–1.70)	11-21% (0.7–1.4 billion)	[12,469]	151,700–575,400	[0.02%]	0.03%	1
2017–18 flu season*	2017–2018	325,084,756	7.53 billion	H1N1 / H3N2	1.53	45 million	[61,099 (prior est. 80,000)]	N/A		N/A	N/A
Typical seasonal flu	Every year		7.75 billion	A/H3N2, A/H1N1, B, ...	1.28 (IQR, 1.19–1.37)	5–15% (340 million – 1 billion) 3–11% or 5–20% (240 million–1.6 billion)	[12,000 to 61,000]	290,000–650,000/year	N/A	<0.1%	1
2019–20 seasonal flu	2019–20	330,541,013	7.75 billion	A(H1N1)pdm09, B/Victoria, A(H3N2)	[1.4 to about 5]	11%[t 2] (800 million[t 2])	[Over 24,000 as of March 28]	0.45-1.2 million[t 2])	N/A	ongoing	1
COVID-19	2019–20	330,541,013	7.75 billion			[903,775 April 24, 2:30p]	[51,000 as of 4-24, 3p]	[195,438 April 24, 2:30p]
[Notes * P+I deaths at or above epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. **as should be assumed in other cases, death rates include those due to complications accompanying the flu. We have the CDC morality rates for the flu per state for 2017-18 (13 states above 17 per 100,000 total population) and for Covid here (only 5 states above 17 per 100,000 people, as of April 16). And according to estimates, between 61,000 to 80,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 season, the latter being the highest death toll in 40 years. During that 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018, (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm) with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html It is estimated that about 80% of those infected with Covid-19 experience a mild case [WHO said the like] – about as serious as a regular cold – and recover without needing any special treatment. Meanwhile a study in Iceland reports that as of April 11, the country has “tested 10% of its population for coronavirus - a figure far higher than anywhere else in the world -” and that “about half of its citizenry at any given time who have coronavirus but don't know it, will be asymptomatic” (show no symptoms), which is “a large percentage many experts studying the virus have suspected, but have had little firm data to corroborate.” Another report is that those who are most vulnerable to death from Covid-19 are the aged with certain other heath conditions, thus 80 percent of US coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older. Then again, America murders over 2,000 of the most vulnerable souls a day (2017: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states), while (for perspective) about 90 people die each day in the US from crashes, which are among the over 7,000 Americans who die every day in the US from a wide range of causes. (https://www.weisspaarz.com/leading-causes-death-by-state/) Other infectious diseases include: Severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, and the mortality rate for SARS, that killed nearly 800 people, is estimated at 1 % by the C C, and with a R rating of 5. MERS, which stands for Middle East re respiratory syn drone, had a mortality rate of 5% and a R rating of 2]. Measles: Mortality rate: unclear; R rating: 12 to 18 Ebola Mortality rate: exceeds 50% R rating: about 2 Source: .cnbc.com]

[daniel1212]

How do you explain the spike in TOTAL DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES plotted year after year on a weekly basis? That is, the total weekly deaths above the expected 10 to 12K deaths? Car crashes? Heart attacks? A big earthquake that wasn't reported?

Then you have ,

Is The Coronavirus Saving Lives? Overall deaths in the U.S. are actually lower over the last few months than they have been in recent years

Total US Death Rate Is Still Below Average: CDC - ThinkAdvisor

Search Results Web results In March, US Deaths from COVID-19 Totaled Less Than 2 percent

[daniel1212]

We have the CDC morality rates for the flu per state for 2017-18 (13 states above 17 per 100,000 total population) and for Covid here (only 5 states above 17 per 100,000 people, as of April 16).

Update: 8 states with Covid death rates above 17 per 100,000 people, as of April 24, 3p)

[meyer]

Here comes the sun,
I say, it’s all right!

[Oatka]

Of course, I don’t think it would do anything for someone already infected with SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19 or “Rona”). But wouldn’t it offer some level of innoculation or protection to someone not yet infected with Covid-19? If not, why not?

The shutdown was to prevent an overload of our medical system ("flatten the curve"). That didn't happen, so it's time to call it off. At some point, we will ALL be infected to certain degrees, no matter what steps we take, so let's get on with it and take care of that small percentage who get a bad reaction.

[Kozak]

No dude, the head up the ass is you.

Selfie.

But keep on sniffing that ass gas.

[BradyLS]

You’re preaching to the choir, FRiend. :-)