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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

I have no problem with Dual Citizenship. In fact both of my children were natural born Dual Citizens and there is nothing they could do to change this status until they became Adults.

What I have a problem with is when US citizens try to use citizenship with another country as an excuse to get away with breaking US laws. That’s unacceptable as US law only recognizes US citizenship for people and when they are naturalized they take an oath to renounce all allegiances to other countries.

If they don’t want to obey US laws then go to a US consulate overseas and renounce their citizenship.

Now as a practical matter (and there are many dummies in America who don’t understand this) they really can’t give up citizenship to the other countries (in the eyes of those countries) unless they go through the other countries’ process for renouncing citizenship. But that’s a matter for them to take care of with those other governments. We don’t need to have USA law enforcement agencies stationed overseas or at consulates/embassies verifying that everyone has gone through the renouncement process as that would open up a huge can of worms & liabilities that we don’t want to get involved with. If you think the “ICE Cages for Children” stories are bad just wait til you see what the ACLU would try to have the US military budget pay for (so our military can’t actually do its job) at various foreign governments’ offices in their own countries.

As far as the US government (and all government agencies and non-government entities in the USA) is concerned they should only be considered as US citizens. The people take an oath of citizenship in a federal court saying they renounce. That’s a legal proceeding with full documentation and verifications.


5 posted on 02/28/2020 7:43:19 PM PST by Degaston
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To: Degaston

Just to be clear - people who are trying to renounce their US citizenship to escape criminal prosecution won’t be able to use that process as an excuse to avoid prosecution/punishment.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html


7 posted on 02/28/2020 7:48:56 PM PST by Degaston
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To: Degaston

If I recollect, I think that if you a child of an American born in Scotland you are forever Scottish in Scottish law. (They may have changed their law in the last 30 years!)

My comment was more a throw in comment. Looking at it more closely I would say that dual citizenship creates conflicts of interest in politicians at the very least. Do we want people with divided loyalties to create and uphold our laws?
(Q.v. Barrack Obama aka Barry Soetero aka Barry Obama, et al. )

To me it seems that there is also a fairness issue if you are a dual citizen who is using benefits in 2 countries when you have not contributed significantly in support of those benefits in one of the countries (this applies more to illegal aliens than Dual Citz.s)

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2018/12/10/dual-citizens-in-congress-we-need-to-know/

“Until the Supreme Court decided otherwise in the 1967 case of Afroyim v. Rusk, a U.S. citizen who voted in a political election in a foreign state would lose his or her U.S. citizenship. Afroyim removed that penalty. It made dual or multiple citizenship legally permissible.”

Before I am accused of anti-Semitism or a McCarthyite witch hunt, let me repeat: there is nothing illegal about dual citizenship for any American, including Members of Congress. Though some may argue that dual citizenship of Senators and Representatives carries an inherent conflict of interest that should require renunciation, my case here is simply for transparency—public disclosure of any dual or multiple citizenship. I single out Israel only because of the possibly automatic nature of its Law of Return. Transparency as to dual citizenship should be required of any Member of Congress who accepts another citizenship, regardless of country.

So why is it important for citizens to know if any of their representatives in Congress is a dual citizen? Because both real and apparent conflicts of interest erode the public trust. When a Member of Congress speaks out in support of a policy that favors a country in which he or she holds citizenship, the public should be able to assess which loyalty motivates the speech....entire article/more at link.”


8 posted on 02/29/2020 10:27:24 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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