Posted on 07/17/2019 12:02:18 PM PDT by Red Badger
Exactly, the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians and Czechs may wind up saving Europe. Especially the Poles.
My family is German but somehow from Posen, Poland.
LOL, I must admit, Stettin is a lot easier to pronounce than Szczecin.
He made even Hitler a little queasy. He was Hitler's Luca Brasi, which is really saying something.
Stalin insisted on the Curzon Line as Poland’s eastern boundary after the War, which shaved about 1/3 of pre-War Poland off. The Allies gave Poland Eastern Pomerania and Silesia as compensation. All the Germans were expelled and German Pozen became Polish Posen.
Let us not forget the Germans started World War 1 And WW2. Millions died because Germany wanted to rule Europe.
After the 2nd partition of Poland, Poznan (Posen) came under the Prussian Kingdom. It did not permanently return to Poland until after World War I, via the Treaty of Versailles.
Wow, thanks.
“” “” No doubt. But the Czechs committed mass murders of civilians, ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity against the Sudeten Germans. It’d be nice if they could at least acknowledge that maybe that was wrong. We’re not talking Nazi cadres here. We’re talking anybody who happened to be born there in a German family.....including kids including grannies, etc.*”” “”
You seem like lack understanding of the dynamics of WWII in Europe. Why the Czechs should be sorry about that? The Germans should be very sorry instead and thankful that not few but the majority of them allowed to live and even to have their country instead of being wiped out to the last kid, granny and dog.
They elected Hitler who declared a total racial war meaning inferior ethnicities including Czechs to be destroyed or enslaved. The Germans supported it until it has turned on them.
Why should anyone but Germans be sorry?
You seem to believe in collective guilt. I do not. People are individuals. Guilt is personal.
As long as Germans remained in The Sudetenland, they were bound to make trouble again down the road. They proved by their past behavior that they wanted no part of being a part of Czechoslovakia.
Maybe they should not have placed 3 million ethnic Germans in a Czech state that had never existed before without giving them any sort of democratic vote on the matter in the first place. Maybe the Czechs should not have set about oppressing them right from the start. You see, this was not a one sided affair where those mean ole Germans just started making trouble for no reason......
I don’t believe in collective guilt at all. But I believe guilt is a wrong concept to apply in such a situation. This concept does not belong to a total war. It was a war of extermination started by the Germans and people killing German grannies and babies didn’t do a good thing but they aren’t guilty in anything. It was both a right and duty of a victor to kill them in such a war.
Once again the Germans allowed to exist was an ultimate act of humanism by the mankind so they do better shut up and forget minor infractions.
The war was over....and deliberately killing civilians is awful. Its bad enough when its a military necessity like the massive bombing raids on cities that was the norm in WWII - but when the war is over and when it has utterly no military value? That's a crime against humanity.
“” “” but when the war is over and when it has utterly no military value? “” “”
Snowflake? The Germans deliberately killed 20 million civilians in USSR alone. They killed off a large part of the population of Poland. They killed one out of four civilians in Belarus. All done by regular Germans troops composed of enlisted men out of the German civilian population. A German population which supported all the atrocities. Nothing done to the Germans during or after the war accounts even for 1% of German atrocities. How could Czech know killing the Germans weren’t of military value? They didn’t want Germans to stay alive and come back to haunt them a short time later. It is just natural and nothing wrong with this.
Once again you lack the understanding of total war probably because you and yours weren’t ever a part of it.
[“all Germans were expelled from the former Sudetenland, becoming part of the greatest mass migration of the 20th century.”]
I think it might be referring to all the displaced persons trekking across Europe after the war. Slave laborers from Germany, ethnic Germans from the Greater Reich, former PoWs, etc. It ended up being in the tens of millions, I believe.
Another example of why multiculturalism doesn’t work.
Which they finally did..................
You still don’t get it. You look at people as units of a group and if the group has done bad things that therefore justifies any nasty thing being done to any member of the group.
I don’t look at it that way. The war was over. There is no “good” to be achieved by committing crimes against or murdering civilians because they happen to be ethnic Germans. That’s exactly the behavior you’re complaining about the Nazis doing.
Always amazing to hear the German lamentations about how they were treated poorly in the aftermath of the war. What did they expect? A slap on the back, and forgive and forget?“The Czechs were extremely harsh on the Germans after the war.”
Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. Hitler had no illusions about how the Russians in particular felt about Germans because, under his orders, he had caused them to systematically earn hatred and contempt.The ordinary Hans and Fritz who wasn’t directly involved in those actions just naturally responded, “Why me,” but Hitler had named the game.
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