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To: Widget Jr
If an American sub took a Russian torpedo hit I doubt it could get to where it could be scuttled. Vice versa on the Russian boat, ditto. Bumping chubbies has been done several times. Losing a boat happened in the Azores with Scorpion and in the Pacific with a Russian boat. K19 called the Widowmaker was a bad reactor leak that cost Russia some sailors. Either sides boat goes down you lose more than 14. I rode the subs in the 70’s, we chased Ivan and he chased us. Something happened probably, if it’s Russian and in trouble they won’t ask or accept help, at least they never did. If it’s ours they won’t say until family members are notified. Personally I hope it’s BS. Once a squid, I guess always a squid. Oh and Thresher was shake down after a yard period, after that yardbirds road on them out of the dry dock didn’t happen again. 🤔
82 posted on 07/02/2019 6:57:56 PM PDT by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought. ))
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To: Equine1952
This story uses a conspiracy writer's trick which goes like this:

1. Take two unusual events that happen close together, in this case the loss of the Losharik and Pence canceling events, then claim they are related for super secret Tom Clancy stuff. Alternatively, claim the Tom Clancy stuff is connected to real world events that would not be related to each other outside of the conspiracy.

2. Don't proofread and clean up anything that shows the "real story" is utter nonsense. The "Balkan 2000 torpedo" exists only in this article and the Russians would not send a unarmed research submarine operating out of Severomorsk anywhere near Alaska.

3. Do not try to explain why the "real story" is happening. Just what is so important in Alaskan waters the Russians would risk war over it? How could they get two or three submarines, one of which a noisy Delta III converted to a mother ship, in Alaskan waters without the US Navy detecting them by the IUSS (former SOSUS) network? Why would the Russians risk shooting at a US submarine, when there would have to be several USN ships and submarines close by? These are fair questions, don't expect Debka to answer them.

3. When after enough time passes that shows the official story is not a lie, stop writing about it. That will happen when it is confirmed that the Losharik is sunk off the Russian and not Alaskan coast, no US SSN in the Pacific Fleet was lost or damaged, and there are no unexplained deaths of U.S. submariners.

4. Go onto the next story.

103 posted on 07/02/2019 9:35:41 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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