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To: Phil DiBasquette

That was how the Tenerife crash happened but
that was a mistake using a runway that was
closed / under reconstruction

I heard anecdotally Frontier has some kind of
preference in Denver and they F up a lot

The creepiest thing was an hour before I was leaving to go fly
home from FL one time I was watching TV and a program about
air disasters came on and of course it was about the JAL flight
that the “Sukiyaki” singer died on. The rudder/tail came off
of a loaded plane that finally crashed in the mountains, the plane
was damaged earlier in a runway taxiing collision and a cover plate
was installed improperly with x rivets vs the correct number y. The plane flew out of control for some interval while messaging “Farewell...farewell”


69 posted on 03/10/2019 5:05:18 PM PDT by Phil DiBasquette
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To: Phil DiBasquette

Tenerife in 1977 was the KLM going with only having been given a departure clearance and not a takeoff clearance.

Due to it being a small airport, the a/c had to back-taxi. KLM blocked access where Pan-Am could not get past without collision. Therefore, Pan Am had to wait for KLM to finish taking on a full fuel-load. The KLM pilot made that decision, too.

KLM backtaxiied down the runway. Pan Am was to pull off and come up behind him. The controller told Pan Am to pull off on the 3rd accessway but it was 135 degrees to the left. The controller probably forgot about the back taxi (IMHO).

The 4th accessway would have been smooth and brought Pan Am up near KLM’s tail. The (dead) KLM pilot already tried to roll without authorization and was shut down by the co-pilot. Now he’s mad and embarrassed. Next time he rolls but Pan Am is not clear of the runway. When he finally sees Pan Am through the fog, it’s too late.

The runway under construction happened in the far east as I recall. Singapore Airlines(?). The 747 was taking off in heavy rain and accidentally chose the wrong runway. Yes, one under repairs. The a/c struck equipment parked on the runway overnight (it was a night takeoff attempt).


70 posted on 03/10/2019 5:31:56 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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