Posted on 12/23/2018 12:18:36 PM PST by CaliforniaCraftBeer
Before Palpatine uses Force lightning to destroy Obi-Wa?
How can you kill a guy who is already dead?
I can wish for both but rushed dinner after 150 miles is about it for Christmas day.
I have to go toil in hooterville the next day. No rest for me.
Merry Christmas to you.
Maybe I will experience one myself some year.
canon?
Vader goes through ethereal combat Having killed Momin, Vader now has access to a portal that allows his spirit to walk the afterlife. He traverses space and time...
Here, Vader's essence fights off ghosts of the past, from Mace Windu to Yoda, carving a path towards his wife...
That is too complicated for me.
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, CaliforniaCraftBeer
Here is what the 30mm macro did just slapping the camera on tripod.
The actual mechanical counter will fit in a large hand.
https://cjneil82.smugmug.com/Misc-Mixed-Items/i-V95kchH/A
Sounds like fun though. The family is converging on our house Christmas day. My wife will make the usual prime rib roast.
Nice job. And as my dad, the professional photographer, would say good composition. :)
A super quickie.
Between being so sick all of a sudden and recovering, the usual Christmas insanity I have to deal with, I am amazed I got that far.
It arrived Thursday after the PO lost it for a couple of days.
I think I can actually do something for myself today, finally. Maybe I can roll and bank some sellable video.
Thanks for looking.
I get short tripped to death until after Christmas.
We used to do a progressive dinner. Each of the family members did a dinner course. Meant driving all over town for the whole family. It was fun but involved a bit of driving.
At one time in the distant past, I would have enjoyed that.
What family I have, too far away.
Now, it is nice to have a nice dinner, sip some whiskey, and listen Christmas music.
I’ll send my wife over.
That is Christmas more to her liking.
Okay, even assuming this was a literal revelation of who Vader’s “father” is, wouldn’t it technically be Darth Plagueis who effectively is Vader’s father instead of Palpatine? He’s the one who did that experiment based on what Palpatine told Anakin. Plus, it does call into question why Palpatine would just blow up his own Empire post-mortem with his Contingency Plan, especially when him effectively creating Anakin would imply he could simply create a new body for him to reincarnate himself if he so desired, sort of like the Dalai Lama (then again, I really hated that Contingency plotline due to it making Palpatine extremely out of character. For goodness sakes, this was the same guy who literally GOADED Luke into essentially murdering him in cold blood just to get him to turn to the Dark Side, not to mention his father before him, and when dueling Yoda, he not only seemed to anticipate Vader surpassing even Palpatine himself in power, but seemed to actually look forward to it. That would make as much sense as Joker deciding to blow up the world simply because he died and can no longer cause carnage. I would expect that kind of behavior from Lord Voldemort who actually IS cowardly enough to not even try to risk his life or forfeit it unlike Palpatine who was shown twice to gamble his life in the films. Heck, I’d even expect that kind of behavior from Geldoblame from Baten Kaitos, who actually DOES come across as the micromanaging control freak type akin to Stalin in that game and obviously not the type to just let anyone kill him and take away is power over everyone.).
And personally, I’d argue that Palpatine was closer to an actual father figure to Anakin than Obi-Wan ever was, especially when Obi-Wan in AOTC largely put down Anakin many times, not even giving him due credit at the very least, something that even Misty and Brock at least did with Ash in Pokémon for example, and in ROTS, he seemed to adhere to moral relativism, that and pretty much training Luke to effectively kill Vader and lie about the latter killing his father (I’m sorry, but that bit was just low, using Vader’s own son to kill him. I don’t care if Lucas in a sense of self-serving justification for changing the title of the movie claimed Jedi don’t adhere to revenge, lying to your former friend’s son about who killed his father and telling Luke to effectively kill him [yes, he did in fact tell him to kill Vader, as did Yoda. When Luke told him he doesn’t wish to kill his father, Obi-Wan not only didn’t correct him and say defeat Vader, not necessarily kill, but he effectively implied that by refusing to kill Vader, the Emperor had won.] still comes across as adhering to revenge, oh, and also using relativism as an excuse to do so like truth is a point of view.). At least Palpatine gave Anakin encouragement, even saved his life at Mustafar. Which is a shame, as Palpatine’s supposed to be an irredeemable monster. Then again, given Lucas’s own moral issues, like claiming Bill Clinton’s a good man yet Nixon’s the epitome of evil (yeah, I’m sorry, but Nixon’s only guilt was taking the fall for his men for a third-rate burglary that he didn’t even have any prior involvement in for the sake of his country, which is absolutely nothing compared to Clinton’s various repertoire of crimes that can in fact be tied back to him), he’d probably list Jesus Christ as pure evil if he could get away with it.
It could be reasoned that Anakin’s father figure was Obi-Wan, while Vader’s was Palpatine, further contributing to the inner conflict in him as a Jedi And Sith. A similar ‘conflict’ is personalized in Kylo Ren. Ren’s struggles may even run deeper as he’s been fathered by Han Solo, trained by Uncle Luke and being drawn further to the dark side by grandfather’s Anakin’s Sith side from the after life.
’...Palpatine gave Anakin encouragement, even saved his life at Mustafar...’
Episodes 1, 2 & 3 reveal vulnerabilities from both Dark and Light side users. Palpatine admits being surprised by certain things, over estimates his apprentice’ Vader’s power, and fails to defeat Jedi leader Yoda. The balance of power in the galaxy always seems be tipped slightly toward dark or light but never overwhelmingly to a side. With Rey collaborating with Kylo Ren in Episode 9 we might finally see one side truly prevailing.
Maybe, but I’m not entirely sure Obi-Wan was a particularly good father figure. Episode II really didn’t seem to show him being particularly fond of Anakin at any point, talking down to him. They could have at least had him giving him credit where such was due once.
As far as the point about vulnerabilities, well, that depends on what you mean by “defeat”. Palpatine didn’t kill Yoda, yes, so you could argue that he did not defeat Yoda, but on the other hand, he DID nonetheless force the latter to go into hiding, which does technically qualify as a defeat in another way. And I’m not too sure Palpatine overestimated Vader’s power. He was the Chosen One, after all, and even Lucas indicated that Vader’s full power would have been twice that of the Emperor had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar (and at least in the old EU, it’s implied that his potential was harmed not by his physical injuries, but more his psychological wounds). I’ll give you his being surprised by certain things, though, based on his admittance that he did not sense Luke on the shuttle in Episode 6. And are we even sure they’re actually collaborating? I don’t even think we got much info on Episode IX yet.
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