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To: bitt; TakeChargeBob; steve w

The Commission did not ‘fail’, it disbanded and dissolved into DHS. DHS has the investigatory muscle to monitor and report election fraud. Whereas the DOJ needs a referral and the FBI a probable cause, DHS has the monitoring capability and undercover personnel to investigate and report.

The Commission was initially set up to take reports from people coming forward with testimonies and also for states to submit to audits. This was quickly evaluated to be inefficient whereas DHS based on only one probable cause case may coordinate with intel agencies to evaluate recorded intel for corroboration. NSA and NGA have the ability to monitor all suspects, their comms, their geo-traces, their financial transactions, their meetings.

IMO DHS expended resources to protect key Senate races and not so much House races. The new Senate will be much stronger, working more closely with the WH, more focused on investigating wrongdoing. McConnell has redeemed himself. He and POTUS are now working more in line now.

The House doesn’t much matter for now. From the Omnibus earlier this year, the military is funded to the hilt through to latter half of 2020, $700B for this fiscal year, $716B for next fiscal year. POTUS has already warned that he has the authority to declare the southern border a risk to national security and to release military funds to have the Army Corps of Engineers finish the Wall.

The Caravans are great props for POTUS’s argument for a Wall.

So although there is plenty of election fraud to note and investigate, its impact is minimal to POTUS’s agenda. The fraud participants are in the crosshairs of DHS-supported law enforcement. I think and would like to see evidence come out over this next year that compels mandatory Voter ID, citizenship checks, and election security features such as traceable ballots that preserve vote privacy, such paper scanned for place of origin, date of production, date of distribution, etc. It may be that such election security features are implemented now, we just don’t know about it publicly. Realistically though, these reforms will be campaign issues for the 2020 elections except that election security features both cyber and physical are authorized for DHS to work now and into the future.


132 posted on 11/17/2018 12:05:51 PM PST by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))
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To: Hostage

I appreciated your post. Especially focused on the last paragraph:


So although there is plenty of election fraud to note and investigate, its impact is minimal to POTUS’s agenda. The fraud participants are in the crosshairs of DHS-supported law enforcement. I think and would like to see evidence come out over this next year that compels mandatory Voter ID, citizenship checks, and election security features such as traceable ballots that preserve vote privacy, such paper scanned for place of origin, date of production, date of distribution, etc. It may be that such election security features are implemented now, we just don’t know about it publicly. Realistically though, these reforms will be campaign issues for the 2020 elections except that election security features both cyber and physical are authorized for DHS to work now and into the future.


I’ve been sorely disappointed so far, in that I was thinking we’d get the House, too. But, somehow, I haven’t gone into worry-mode, and I think you put into words some of why I’m not frazzled.


151 posted on 11/17/2018 12:59:14 PM PST by musicnart
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To: Hostage
"So although there is plenty of election fraud to note and investigate, its impact is minimal to POTUS’s agenda. The fraud participants are in the crosshairs of DHS-supported law enforcement. I think and would like to see evidence come out over this next year that compels mandatory Voter ID, citizenship checks, and election security features such as traceable ballots that preserve vote privacy, such paper scanned for place of origin, date of production, date of distribution, etc. It may be that such election security features are implemented now, we just don’t know about it publicly. Realistically though, these reforms will be campaign issues for the 2020 elections except that election security features both cyber and physical are authorized for DHS to work now and into the future."

To imply that the democrats winning back the House will be minimal to the President's agenda is absurd. We are in for two solid years of one investigation after another all cheered on and broadcast 24/7 by the MSM. Trump's agenda is at a standstill because of this. They control the money. You talk about getting election reforms put in place when the democrats will ensure that NOTHING will pass the House that would even come close to what is needed. If these are still issues for the 2020 election cycle, the dems will still be cheating with nothing done about their doing so. Do you believe we will see prosecutions for what has happened in Broward and Palm Beach Counties? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

301 posted on 11/17/2018 8:15:26 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: Hostage; bitt; Steven W.

The election fraud is my number one concern. I note your corrections that the Commission did not fail and it was dissolved into DHS. I hope they laid the groundwork for criminal referrals but I do not have confidence that this is so.

I note your opinion that DHS expended resources to protect key Senate races and not so much house races. Lets accept that premise for now. Results - absolute failure. Case in point Arizona. Where the hell were the challenges? There were alleged improprieties in Maricoba County. (I do not that LS who closely follows Arizona did not opine about concerns about improper voting.) In Florida - thank god for Broward County’s incompetence else we would have lost that election. (We might have lost the Agricultural Commissioner though). Fraud was obvious and we were not prepared for oversight. We put ourselves in position to be cheated. I do not see any fruits of the labor in prevention of outcomes. Perhaps there may be some in catching the bad guys. Lets see what happens in Broward County. If there are not significant arrests we have failed miserably.

With respect to the House, we lost a significant number of seats after election day.

For this election we did not succeed. The failure is the outcome. From your commentary, the failure might not be the Commission but should be the DHS.

All of this suggests that reform is sorely needed. Lots of talk that it is a prelude to the 2020 election. A lot of the fraud is out in the open. There is no way legislatively something can be done. The House will not allow anything to pass. This requires massive resources from the justice department and possible Senate hearings. Not sure who has jurisdiction from the Senate. That may matter as to what can be done. I am calling for a special counsel with an audit of a dozen house races, Florida, Arizona, Montana, and Georgia. As voting is governed by the states, I am not sure what can be done. This is one of the biggest threats to Trump’s reelection. All mischief will be employed.


361 posted on 11/17/2018 10:59:20 PM PST by TakeChargeBob
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