[RitaOK]

ISLAM at its origin and roots came out of Ishmael, son of Abraham, with Hagar. Sara, wife of Abraham, then conceived and delivered him a son, Issac.

Hagar, with her son, were then banished to the desert. God saved them, but pronounced her son would be a people, an ever warring nation

[JockoManning]

Qx had a Muslim roommate in Taipei. He researched his Islamic heritage extensively. He and others have documented conclusively that Mohammed co-opted a traditional satan worshiping tribal moon god cult and morphed it into Islam more or less strictly as a method of CONQUEST and way of gaining booty and power over masses of people.

There's really no viable argument against that history. The proofs are readily available.

Ishmael as patriarch was a long time before Mohammed.