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To: BroJoeK

You continue to do a fine job putting the lie to the absurd justifications for Southern secession. I too plan a lengthy and detailed response addressing all the meandering posts made to me, but I’ve got to get some real work done before I can finish writing my opus! I plan to ping you when it’s posted. In the meantime, if I may, let me add something to your points on The Fugitive Slave Law and the Dred Scott Decision.

Contrary to Southern claims of supporting States Rights, the Fugitive Slave Law overrode State law and demanded that free states yield to the Feds in regards to tracking down runaway slaves. It greatly expanded the Federal government by creating runaway slave commissions in every section of the country. The commissioners got paid $5 for every black exonerated and $10 for every black sent off in chains. Nice system, huh?

The law trampled over individual rights too. It denied blacks any rights in the matter whatsoever, including denying them the right to testify in their own defense. Northern freemen were in grave danger of being hauled south into slavery. There was no real system of identification and slave catchers could merely state that a person was who they were seeking. Whites too had their rights taken from them. They could be deputized against their will and forced to join posses to track down runaway slaves.

So it shows that Democrats haven’t changed much in 150 years. Not only are they still rejecting the results of elections like in 1860, but they were really the ones doing what they accused others of doing back then, just like today!


291 posted on 04/20/2018 10:17:43 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Contrary to Southern claims of supporting States Rights, the Fugitive Slave Law overrode State law and demanded that free states yield to the Feds in regards to tracking down runaway slaves.

US CONSTITUTION. Article IV, Section 2.

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall,in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

So the Constitution overrode State law? And your objection is what? That states weren't able to ignore the constitution or something?

How many constitutional clauses are you aware of that explicitly prohibits states form making a law on some particular point?

Don't like obeying the constitution? You shouldn't have agreed to it.

296 posted on 04/20/2018 2:02:29 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SoCal Pubbie; FLT-bird; x; DiogenesLamp
SoCal Pubbie: "Contrary to Southern claims of supporting States Rights, the Fugitive Slave Law overrode State law and demanded that free states yield to the Feds in regards to tracking down runaway slaves.
It greatly expanded the Federal government by creating runaway slave commissions in every section of the country.
The commissioners got paid $5 for every black exonerated and $10 for every black sent off in chains.
Nice system, huh?
The law trampled over individual rights too..."

Thanks for reminding us of that very important point.
Indeed, far from supporting "states' rights", secessionists used Northern states' rights in fugitive slaves as their legal basis for declaring secession!

As always, Democrats wanted one set of rules for us, a different set -- or better yet, no rules -- for them.

SoCal Pubbie: "So it shows that Democrats haven’t changed much in 150 years.
Not only are they still rejecting the results of elections like in 1860, but they were really the ones doing what they accused others of doing back then, just like today!"

Amen, bro.

301 posted on 04/20/2018 2:50:45 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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