Have you ever studied the Nazi government structure? I was enlightened to it many years back by another Freeper who told me a lot more about it than I knew.
Wealthy and powerful people were allowed to retain control of their companies, but they were put into close intimate contact with German government officials to oversee and manage what they were doing. Smaller companies were forced to disband by law, and all the rest took direction from the state.
The point here is that there was massive collusion between the German Government and the Elite businessmen who ran their various corporations.
I mentioned the Nazis because it is the closest thing to the direction we have been going. The Freeper I mentioned (who's name I have forgotten) had a *LOT* of information about the Nazi industry/government power structure and the Nazi economic system. Everyone should familiarize themselves with this system, because as I said, this is what things are starting to look like here.
For better or for worse, we have big businesses in America, but those aren't all concentrated in one city or one part of the country.
Nor were they really in 1860. One city was bigger than the others, but it wasn't government edicts that made it large or profitable.
Did we come to a conclusion about whether or not "trade" was the life-blood of New York?
Government action -- splitting up the country -- wouldn't suddenly achieve your goal of "social justice."
Keeping the Country together would obviously do nothing for the cause of "social justice" either. I think this is pretty good evidence that no one was motivated by "social justice" in that conflict.
Slavery wasn't an interest so large that it could set government policy?
Obviously not. And even if it were in control of the Government, what would it have done? How would you advance the interests of slave holders if they controlled the government?
It's not just "special interests" in faraway New York that can be dangerous.
You haven't noticed how their puppet News Services are trying to take down Trump? You didn't notice how they tried to put that corrupt Nazi psycho hate witch in power?
I think those who control the news are a lot more dangerous than those who do not. There is a reason all the dictators first gain control of the propaganda apparatus. There is a reason they allow no other messages to compete with their own.
I think we decided that was a trick question.
Did we ever come to a conclusion about the other question, the one Pubbie has been trying to get you to answer?
Generic terms for such economics are "fascism" or some say "statism" terms which don't grab the gut like "Nazism", but are far more accurate.
"Nazi" implies something more wicked that mere ownership or control of the means of production.
The term "Nazi" should not be used as a general metaphor for "something bad" except when it is historically what we really mean.
DiogenesLamp: "I think this is pretty good evidence that no one was motivated by "social justice" in that conflict. "
Some were:
x"Slavery wasn't an interest so large that it could set government policy?"
DiogenesLamp: "Obviously not.
And even if it were in control of the Government, what would it have done?
How would you advance the interests of slave holders if they controlled the government?"
Obviously, slavery was in control of Government until secession in 1861, and even after, witness the Corwin Amendment!
What slavery would do is just what they did do to advance the cause of slavery, beginning with the US Constitution, recognizing slaves as 3/5 and requiring return of fugitive slaves.
Slavery was recognized in the Union by, among other things, effectively requiring 50% of new states to be slave states, drawing lines on maps reserved for slavery, the 1850 Compromise which made Federal government responsible for Fugitive Slaves, and biggest of all, the Dred Scott ruling.
I could go on -- i.e., no President before Lincoln was openly anti-slavery -- but is this point even debatable?
DiogenesLamp: "I think those who control the news are a lot more dangerous than those who do not.
There is a reason all the dictators first gain control of the propaganda apparatus.
There is a reason they allow no other messages to compete with their own."
I think we're all on the same side of that issue, but the rest of us have no special animus towards New York or New Yorkers.
Sure, it's a big city, but one of many and lots of good people come from it, our President, for example.
Some of my daughters lived there for years, and the city treated them well.
Of course that was back when Rudi ran the place...