Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training

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[Strac6]

"The number-one thing that was asked for five-fold or five times as much as any of the other categories was discipline," Frost said.

About effing time!

The real problem is now the Army will have to fix the problems caused by 18 years of bad parenting and bad schools.

It's about time. When a BCT recruit "broke" at Ft. Benning in 1966, Drill Sergeant Joe B. Frick was asked if he had been "too hard" on him. Frick answered, "Thank God I was. The worst sin of any Army Drill Sergeant or Basic Training Commander is to graduate a recruit who will break down in Vietnam or any combat and get himself and others killed."

Tough, disciplined soldiers, and their Armies, and their Countries win. They win in a game where second price is a coffin, for the dead soldier, and a coffin his friends, his Army, his country.

[dp0622]

No generation has ever been played the victim or been as much a bunch of snowflakes as this one. I hope they can change them.

[Spok]

In 1969 when I was in BCT, the cadre complained that the whiners would get people killed. Until they can create kinder and gentler combat, the hard way will be the only way.

[StAntKnee]

Bet the new troops were in tip-top shape on diversity and gender flexibility, though.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

the problems caused by 18 years of bad parenting and bad schools.

Not to mention a decade or more of accepting and coddling the LGBTs has sent a very wrong message to recruits as a whole.

[onedoug]

The worst sin of any Army Drill Sergeant or Basic Training Commander is to graduate a recruit who will break down in Vietnam or any combat and get himself and others killed."

I'm thankful every day that I was in that Army, and not today's.

[11th_VA]

EMI - Time to spend some time with my favorite PT trainer, ‘Friendly Frank’ - OMG he almost killed me in boot camp ...

[Strac6]

We both “bet our sweet asses” we were.

[Strac6]

.... and the strength he gave you persists today, doesn’t it!

Be well.

[rey]

Where’s Sgt.. Hulka?

[11th_VA]

.... and the strength he gave you persists today, doesn’t it!

And great stories to tell the grand kids ;)

[ProtectOurFreedom]

"You want me to "drop" and give you twenty? WTF, bro? Twenty what?"

[Moonman62]

The new program of instruction is the result of surveys taken from thousands of leaders who have observed a trend of new soldiers fresh out of training displaying a lack of obedience and poor work ethic as well as being careless with equipment, uniform and appearance,

“What leaders have observed in general is they believe that there is too much of a sense of entitlement, questioning of lawful orders, not listening to instruction, too much of a buddy mentality with NCOs and officers and a lot of tardiness being late to formation and duties,”

...

The Obama Generation.

[BroJoeK]

Spok: "In 1969 when I was in BCT..."

Me too, but even then the drill sergeants were forced to go easy on us -- for example, they had to call us "meat heads" instead of what we really were. ;-)

[DJ Taylor]

"The new BCT does, however, do away with hand grenade qualification and land navigation course qualification as graduation requirements."

WTF

[Lurker]

They might try putting Marine Corps Drill Instructors in charge of basic training for a year or so.

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[11th_VA]

Friendly Frank (after I did 25 push-ups): "DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING RECRUIT?"

ME: "SIR, YES SIR !!!"

Friendly Frank: " WELL THE COST FOR EDUCATION JUST WENT UP, GIVE ME TWENTY_FIVE MORE !!!!"

[Redleg Duke]

Same here. I went through basic in 1965. OCS in 1967. Most of today’s snowflakes would have melted in the basic I went through...and most were draftees.

Yeah, piss-pour parenting and the NEA in the public schools have ill-prepared the youth for the reality of adult life.

What the NEA and public schools have prepared for the rest of the world is “lunch”.

[gibsonguy]

The thought of these snowflakes being in a actual shooting war is pretty scary.

[NTHockey]

The first words I heard from my Drill Instructor were: “I have 12 weeks to undo the damage your parents caused in 18 years.” And he did.

Semper fi
Platoon 102 Jan-Apr 1959
Parris Island, SC