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To: Vaquero

do believe there are a cadre of childhood diseases that vast majority of children weather and in turn, I believe, are stronger for experiencing them.””

Well, yes, if they weather them, but the dead ones don’t. Their survival is based on the same principles of immunoligical response as is the use of vaccines. However, vaccines don’t contain the live agent in most cases or perhaps a much smaller dose of an agent that has low virulence.


61 posted on 12/17/2017 5:43:20 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS...)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Yeah. NO

No one in my school, my wife’s school or my cousins or kids schools died of chicken pox or measles. We all got a week off from school....and were feeling pretty crappy for a few days.

vaccinations that prevent childhood illnesses may actually be making children more vulnerable to allergic disorders, by changing the natural function of their immune systems.

In my case my immune system is attacking my nervous system and making me allergic to much of the foods most people take for granted. All thanks to a flu vaccine which wasn’t, I assume, tested for that effect. I took the vaccine at age 50. At age 68 I’m still sick from it.


87 posted on 12/17/2017 6:11:28 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Neoliberalnot; Vaquero
"do believe there are a cadre of childhood diseases that vast majority of children weather and in turn, I believe, are stronger for experiencing them.”

Well, yes, if they weather them, but the dead ones don’t. Their survival is based on the same principles of immunoligical response as is the use of vaccines. However, vaccines don’t contain the live agent in most cases or perhaps a much smaller dose of an agent that has low virulence.


Which brings us to the social-demographic aspect of this dilemma. Before birth control, when women were not expected to become educated and usually married young and had many children, there were many more fetal, infant and early child deaths. One of my grandmothers delivered 8 children but only 4 survived early childhood; and the other grandmother delivered 4 and only 3 survived. Parents of course mourned these deaths, but it was much more a part of one's expectations than today.

Biologically, it is better for the species to have "the fittest" survive childhood before they, in turn, reproduce.

Today, with women delaying childbearing, engaging in smoking and drinking, ingesting food and environmental chemicals, applying chemical cosmetics and sunscreen to their bodies' largest organ (the skin) and using birth control chemicals, in addition to delaying marriage and childbearing into their 30s and 40s, it is a wonder that any child is born entirely well.

But because every child is now a cherished specimen, and because the death of a child is an occasion for blaming the medical profession and suing, children whom Mother Nature might not have helped to thrive in the past are now expected to take their place in the gene pool, because Mom is 38 and finally found a man. This is not how it's supposed to be. When I see photos of post-surgical premature infants hooked up to machines and breathing tubes lying exposed in isolettes for months until they can breathe on their own, I feel very concerned for them.

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Likewise with this inbreeding of brain disorders like autism: there needs to be more emphasis on maternal health and care. I worked a high-pressure job with deadlines and lost my first, greatl-anticipated pregnancy. It changed my habits considerably next time around; however, comparing pregnancies, the first one seemed less attached and more like a "primer." Older friends of mine comforted me by saying their mother lost 6 pregnancies before she had her 5 children. Now, the trend in society is to expect perfection from self and others, including one's doctors and one's infants.

195 posted on 12/17/2017 3:40:44 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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