Posted on 10/20/2017 2:25:50 AM PDT by knarf
As a very little kid I thought it was “My Country Tizalee”. I could never quite figure out what or where Tizalee was. I also wondered why our nation was invisible, but thought maybe because it was hiding somewhere in Tisalee : ),
Once there, there IS a learning curve, but everything is not discussed for the obvious reason it IS communist/socialist indoctrination camp and the embeds (out of nine, seven have been there over twelve years with the president doing twenty up for twenty four this year).
You obviously have been involved with government indoctrination/school boards and have already had input that at one time .... you didn't have.
I know about Belamy and the Hitler salute, I also know I stood with hand over heart until 1965 as did all in my high school class including the teacher.
And lastly, I opened my final statement with IF ... that was not a statement of acquiescence on my part, but a tongue in cheek way to proffer a "paranoid friend's" supposition that HAS become increasingly read and pondered.
Your public schools were in trouble WAY before me , FRiend.
My first wife of twenty one years before cancer took her home and I home schooled our four children through to eleventh grade and opted for twelfth in a socialist camp because we were nervous a home school certificate may interfere with future employment
Like until death do us part ?
Marriages are voluntary. School is not, if the pledge in school is mandatory does it actually mean anything?
WHO says school is mandatory ?
I know exactly of what you say.
Then grow the F up and stop acting and talking like one.
The same government you want kids to be forced to pledge their blind allegiance to every day.
English learned will serve us well if we only will.
A real republic doesn’t need to force people to pledge their allegiance. It EARNS that allegiance.
Jesus
Why are you excoriating a man trying to do the right thing?
You’re living up to the scold nature of this forum around here you know that
Don’t be so personal to someone who didn’t attack you.
ExDemMom said it above;
It's the lack of proper and complete (which is honest) American history being taught.
When my first wife and I started homeschooling twenty something years ago, we were both a little surprised at the continuing history of Pennsylvania that went from year to year in the curriculum we subscribed to.
It was way back then that I began developing my opinions about American history and the lack of it being taught in public schools that had in part, motivated us to want to home school.
I was educated in the fifties and early sixties.
I joined the Army in 1965.
When I got out there was a full scale social riot going on that was never really corrected, just quelled.
I think I could make an argument that part of the angst felt by returning vets is because we were 1950's, post WW2 victory educated and had been forced (or enlisted for idealistic reasons) to fight a war that was no where NEAR what our history had taught us about war, America, freedom, etc.
VVAW (Viet Nam Vets against the War) was born from that sentiment (with a LOT of communist (at the time) assistance in colleges)
History is the key to understanding, in my opinion.
None of which answers the original question:
What meaning do mandatory pledges have?
I say none. Forcing kids to say the Pledge is just stupid, they’re mouthing words they don’t understand and don’t believe. It’s frankly a stupid idea that goes against everything America stands for. America is about freedom of choice and the freedom to NOT blindly pledge allegiance to a government that’s supposed to work for US. By the people, for the people and of the people. Government officials should be pledging their allegiance to us, not the other way around.
Is that what you taught your kids ?
I didn’t have kids. But I would teach them to never take any oath or pledge they did not understand. In 4th grade I actually stopped to pay attention to the pledge, and realized I really didn’t want to pledge allegiance to a country being run by a dumbass (Jimmy Carter), so I stopped. Haven’t said it since.
I notice you still can’t be bothered to answer the question:
What meaning does a mandatory pledge have?
Nothing.
And to the Republic for which it stands.
you’re still not answering the question. Stop dodging, how can a pledge a person is FORCED to give mean ANYTHING? ANSWER THE FREAKING QUESTION.
“I was born in 1948 so this would have been in 1953 or there-abouts.”
I, too, was born in ‘48, and have the same memories. I also recall music classes where we had paper back books and sang hymns from them. We also learned the theme songs from the military branches; I still remember them. And we had “release time class” — “religious instruction”, where we could leave school early one day a week, and go to the church of our choice for a class there.
You ranted on and on about knowing history. You do realize that the history of the pledge is that it’s socialist indoctrination designed to get kids to worship the state and he intended ALL countries to use it right?
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
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