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Changes in Password Best Practices
Crypro-Gram ^ | 10/15/2017 | Bruce Schneier

Posted on 10/15/2017 3:16:37 PM PDT by zeugma

NIST recently published its four-volume SP800-63-3 Digital Identity Guidelines. Among other things, it makes three important suggestions when it comes to passwords:

These password rules were failed attempts to fix the user. Better we fix the security systems.

http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/...

Why password complexity rules are bad:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/... (link behind paywall)

Why password expiration is bad:
https://securingthehuman.sans.org/blog/2017/03/23/...

Stop trying to fix the user:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7676198/


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: passwords; passwordssuck
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To: umgud
One of my recent PW’s assigned to me; *3Ga^=qrT_`~491011zQr9-A

That would be bitch to type on a smartphone.

41 posted on 10/15/2017 6:26:12 PM PDT by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: CodeToad

Two factor was just another ‘what you know’. Each insecurity of the ‘what you know’ compounds the problem; it doesn’t increase the strength of each ‘know’.

Actually, this was exactly what the two-factor was attempting to solve. What you know is your password. What you have is your phone. As I said before, works well for some stuff. If it's something you have to do 10 times a day, it sucks. When I boot up my crappy laptop, I have to enter my password about 5 times to get everything set up for the day's work. Fortunately, the only 2fa I have is the vpn connection.

42 posted on 10/15/2017 6:30:54 PM PDT by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: CondorFlight; All
“Andrewhadalittlelamb”.
Easy to remember, and more than enough to be safe."

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Yep, that one would take 67.75 billion centuries of high speed random guesses to crack according to Steve Gibson ("Spinrite" disk recovery author & a security expert)...he had the same idea as most of this article years ago...his interesting "Password Haystack" site is here: https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm

43 posted on 10/15/2017 6:31:10 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Blue Highway

Dude, I could have written everything you just said.

Regarding the 1,2,3,4,5 items. It freaking drives me crazy. Which is a better password? "Myyardisfilledwithacorns", or "0DrycticJu!"? I've taken to actively subverting the entire scheme, by choosing passwords that actually fit their requirements, yet are ridiculously simple. I recently had "Sh0p@home" as my primary password. It passed their 'complexity' test, yet I consider it to be a horrid password that I would never use on anything I really wanted to secure. I would say the first is better if for nothing else, that it is easily remembered, is long, and with a little practice, easy to type very quickly.

Also agreed about the captcha stuff. Being someone who is fairly color-blind, I sometimes have a really hard time discerning the letters/numbers.

Then, there is the stupid "security question" thing. Frankly, I think the questions they ask are none of their freaking business, and hackers have used these things to subvert the accounts of some famous folks, because the vast majority of the questions were a part of publicly available information. To subvert that, I'd used schemes like using an md5 hash of the answer instead of the answer itself, but that really gets to be a bit of a pain as well.

44 posted on 10/15/2017 6:45:15 PM PDT by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: Flick Lives
(All spaces! No one will ever figure that out.)

Mine is frequently ********

45 posted on 10/15/2017 6:47:23 PM PDT by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: FatherofFive

Just write it on a Post It note and stick it under your monitor.
= = =

After our secretary was let go before her 30 day trial was up, I turned over her keyboard:

ObeySubmit7 was her password, written there.

We were not her first try-out.


46 posted on 10/15/2017 6:57:21 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: zeugma

I’ve been told that in ancient days, you could have had a backspace in your password (probably some kind of UNIX enhancement).


47 posted on 10/15/2017 6:58:41 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: zeugma

Yeah, I remember early in the internet when I had multiple email accounts and they required security questions, which I also found way too personal, I would purposely use bogus answers whicch only I would know, but after say 10 years and not using certain email accounts regularly, I had to abandon a few accounts for not knowing certain answers as I never wrote them down. Questions like mother’s maiden name or first pet or first school attended, I would make up bogus names and just try to commit to memory but they would always be fictitious.


48 posted on 10/15/2017 7:00:57 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Samurai_Jack

I have said for a decade that password complexity only leads to passwords being written on sticky notes and pasted to the monitor.
= = =

I used to bury them in the phone list I had written on the wall. Used a lot of numbers. It wasn’t just one of the numbers, but one of them with an extra text or special character.

My theory was that the mandatory password update was to weed out older employees.

Every 2 months, you have to get a new password, each one longer and more complex than the last one. Finally you can’t remember it. After attempting 3 tries, you get a dialog box which offers you retirement, just click to accept.


49 posted on 10/15/2017 7:06:06 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: Fai Mao

I used Tolkien to develop my secret phrase. It’s a Dwarvish expression translated into Elvish. Anyone nerdy enough to get that is welcome to share my Wi-Fi.


50 posted on 10/15/2017 7:16:43 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: zeugma

I had trouble with those security questions.

If you’re born in, for example, Chicago Illinois you have to remember HOW you entered it.

It’s several months later so I couldn’t remember if I had typed, “Chicago” “Chicago IL” “Chicago, IL” or “Chicago, Illinois” So got booted.


51 posted on 10/15/2017 7:48:08 PM PDT by John Milner (Marching for Peace is like breathing for food.)
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To: mrsmith

This.

I use a single word and the date of the last change.


52 posted on 10/15/2017 7:59:13 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: CondorFlight

Brute Force Cracking might get that pretty quick...


53 posted on 10/15/2017 8:16:56 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: zeugma

I know... No matter what PW I type in, it always changes to that. It must be a conspiracy!

{snickering ;^D}


54 posted on 10/15/2017 8:24:29 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Scrambler Bob

Use Control Codes. Not sure if you still can, I would forget what I put in if I did use CC.. lol


55 posted on 10/15/2017 8:25:30 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: PAR35

I keep all of mine in a PW encrypted .7z file.


56 posted on 10/15/2017 8:26:58 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: John Milner

I would have written Shy Town.


57 posted on 10/15/2017 8:39:14 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Bikkuri

Dont forget to write that PW for the PW encrypted file on a post-IT note. ;p)


58 posted on 10/15/2017 8:45:29 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: pigsmith
I truly detest those 'wack-a-mole' things.

I know. After a few rounds of CAPTCHA, it's more like you're playing a pointless game like Tetris than signing in to your account. I wonder over the millions of users how many hours of productivity this wastes on a global level having to jump through hoops and try to guess a distorted image or if random colored curves are actual letters or numbers or not.

wPIU9cIWH1S

That's correct, rightttttttttt????????

59 posted on 10/15/2017 8:58:30 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway

I waste all my time at work reading Free Republic. Diddling with Capcha’s is an insignificant part of the productivity I eschew for knowledge.


60 posted on 10/15/2017 9:11:10 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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