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North Carolina avoids major sanctions in academic fraud case
ESPN ^ | October 13, 2017 | Jeff Goodman

Posted on 10/13/2017 8:58:19 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: JBW1949

The NCAA sanctioned Kentucky for a basketball player who allegedly took the ACT for another player to make him eligible. Is this not academic fraud?


21 posted on 10/13/2017 10:56:14 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: JBW1949

In other words a slap on the wrist at best. SACS and the NCAA are a total joke.


22 posted on 10/13/2017 10:57:33 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: cdga5for4

Lesson learned is only schools that self report are penalized. So don’t report anything deny everything and you are good.


23 posted on 10/13/2017 11:09:24 AM PDT by pas
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To: C19fan

NCAA proved today that they are completely worthless and should be disbanded immediately.


24 posted on 10/13/2017 11:10:33 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Trump trumps Hate)
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“NCAA proved today that they are completely worthless and should be disbanded immediately.”

This^^^^ Pay the players. Burn the whole damn thing down!


25 posted on 10/13/2017 11:21:56 AM PDT by Batman11 ( The USA is not an ATM!)
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To: C19fan
I am less ticked off that there was a gimme class apparently marketed to the athletes than that the classes were apparently bogus. What does tick me off though is that the classes in question were apparently fraudulent and fake in terms of content and academic administration. My interpretation of the NCAA-UNC fracas is that the NCAA found themselves in a wrestling match with a greased pig coupled with being twisted like a pretzel.

UNC is a member of the AAU (Association of American Universities). https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members . AAU is focused on rigorous academic standards and research. Hmmmmm... UNC does seems like the greasy pig on this.

Now... In a full disclosure, I am a double STEM major from the Arts & Sciences and the Engineering colleges. I took two humanities classes to fill the box in for academic areas outside my majors. One was titled A History of American Pop Music and the other was A History of American Cinema. The classes were taught by a Humanities professor with weekly quizzes, 2 or 3 tests and a final. It was legit. Yes, better than half of the classes were the football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, etc. teams. However, silly as it may seem it frankly broadened (or warped) my tastes in both music and movies to this day. I have zero guilt over those two easy A's. LOL.....

I know that the athletes had access to tutors, a means to skip classes for practices and games, etc. and still have to perform with the class assignments and such. In my narrow experience, I never saw anything that made me think that these were fake classes at all. Now, I did know that there was one prominent athlete in one low level engineering class of mine that was suspected to be a serial cheater and it wouldn't surprise me if it was accurate. You just cant miss 3/4 of the classes, show up on test days and pass these, unless he had one hell of a tutor essentially spoon feeding him the entire class, homework through tests.

Wait! Just recalled one other easy class that I had a blast in! It was a graduate seminar type class one night a week. Each week we had a guest science or engineering prof. from outside the major field present some topic from their area of specialty. The class was graded about 25% on the ever nebulous class participation and 75% on a single term paper due on the last night of class with the subject tied into the discussion topic of one the presenters or their general professional specialty. Mine was the on the legal foundations for liabilities related to genetic engineering and I ain't no lawyer. Many hours at the law library plus the university had and still has a top rated historical document and book collection that I was able to view and touch books that added to the breadth of the bibliography. English Common Law is cool and I had never realized that it is largely the foundation for many underlying principles of American tort law. I only put this long winded paragraph in to try to make the point that not every college gimme class is bogus. This is not to excuse what UNC appears to have twisted things but I definitely am not in favor of a blanket condemnation, it can be done legitimately

26 posted on 10/13/2017 11:34:40 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: C19fan

How many fake degrees did they hand out?


27 posted on 10/13/2017 11:35:03 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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When are they going to establish Departments of British, Norwegian, Italian, Polish, French, German, Irish, Scottish, Indian, Asian, or Kurdish studies?

What good would any degree in any of these go toward gainful employment after leaving college? Could you go to any of the above countries and get a job as an expert in that country’s culture?

I want a Department of English/Scottish/American Indian/Portuguese/Mali/and Canadian studies. Then I could walk around with a degree about my heritage. It wouldn’t be worth the paper it was printed on, but it would be a degree.

Athletes at North Carolina should sue to be allowed to get degrees based upon their individual heritage. After all don’t athletes already have this capability?


28 posted on 10/13/2017 11:47:53 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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Wonder how many other colleges and universities have programs in African-American Studies???


29 posted on 10/13/2017 12:17:07 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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What saved UNC’s butt on this was that the class was school wide and more students attended than student athletes...

The accreditation governing body gave a two year probation to the university and it has since gone by...


30 posted on 10/13/2017 12:21:16 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: JBW1949

Yeah right are you looking to buy a bridge? I have one for sale in Brooklyn.


31 posted on 10/13/2017 12:58:48 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

That’s from a Sports Illustrated article...Take it as you will...


32 posted on 10/13/2017 1:02:47 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: C19fan

Forever known as UNCheat.


33 posted on 10/13/2017 2:28:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: JBW1949

Don’t know but I’d never hire anyone with that degree...from any school.


34 posted on 10/13/2017 2:36:27 PM PDT by ealgeone
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I’ve checked...Duke has 27 courses in A-A Studies...Kentucky, Alabama, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Ohio State, UMASS, Syracuse, Tennessee, Florida, Texas...That is just a few of them...


35 posted on 10/13/2017 2:59:30 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: ealgeone

All told, there are 187 of them...


36 posted on 10/13/2017 3:03:25 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: ealgeone

I forgot...here is a link:

http://colleges.startclass.com/d/o/African-.-American_-_Black-Studies


37 posted on 10/13/2017 3:05:07 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: JBW1949

Some pretty big names on that list.


38 posted on 10/13/2017 3:06:00 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Check the list...Harvard, Princeton...many more...


39 posted on 10/13/2017 3:10:37 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: ealgeone

Also, that list doesn’t have all of them...Tennessee has them..That’s where I got my EE degree...


40 posted on 10/13/2017 3:12:50 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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