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1 posted on 05/06/2017 5:43:54 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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Simple answer...When the government pays for your healthcare the government will determine what healthcare you will get, when you will get it and may deny you care altogether if they deem you to be too old, too young or your treatment is too expensive. While your prescriptions may be free or low cost are you getting the most effective medications with the fewest side effects or are stuck with what the government is willing to pay for?

Even in the US, healthcare insurance providers may nickle and dime you to death quite literally with your prescriptions. After trying numerous medications for my hypertension none of which reduced my blood pressure, my doctor finally found the right drug that worked phenomenaly in reducing my blood pressure. However, the drug was a newer one which at the time no generic equivalent. My insurance company balked at the cost and had me try another series of medications in the same class that were available as generics. For nearly two years I bounced between other medications none of which worked and my blood pressure remained at times dangerously high. Finally my original medication became generic and the insurance company would pay the still quite high cost. Imagine dealing with an army of faceless bureaucrats if you were under a government run system and had the same problem.

139 posted on 05/06/2017 10:48:30 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcherhttp://www.stone)
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“Friend Who Lived in France Says Their Health System Superior”

Take two bottles of wine and call me in the morning.


141 posted on 05/06/2017 10:56:03 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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Don’t forget the VAT.


142 posted on 05/06/2017 10:58:52 AM PDT by ealgeone
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Princess Diana bled out on the side of the road. She would have lived with American EMS and any trauma center found in any American city.

That’s a fact. The wreck happened at 12:23.
Cops arrive at 12:30.
She wasn’t pinned in wreckage, but they didn’t get her out until 01:00.
Then it takes them 18 more minutes to get her INTO the ambulance.
23 minutes later at 01:41 they decide, hey, this looks serious, we better get her to the hospital.
Then she arrives at the hospital at 02:06. Almost 2 hours after the wreck.

Folks, that was a princess, freaking British Royalty, in Paris, with unlimited cash. SO don’t tell me how wonderful French healthcare is.


144 posted on 05/06/2017 11:24:17 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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Free? Seriously? Your friend is a fool to believe it’s free. Everyone is paying for it out of their paycheck. Every paycheck for so long as they work. If she can’t figure that out, maybe she should go back to France. The USA already has more than it’s fair share of stupid people.


148 posted on 05/06/2017 11:40:47 AM PDT by EDINVA
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Everyone pays the same percentage tax....35%

It's possible that most people are in the 30% tax bracket, but there are others.

France doesn't have a flat tax.

Plus, there is a national sales tax or VAT on most purchases.

153 posted on 05/06/2017 12:46:10 PM PDT by x
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm

Ask your friend about this


160 posted on 05/06/2017 1:47:30 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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Your friend is woefully misinformed. I was in afib and was told there was a 6 month waiting period. Came to the states, one week. Income tax, social security contirbutions and of course the ubiquitous value added tax. Oh yes, you can’t sue for malpractice.

Income tax
Up to 9,710: EUR 0 percent tax
EUR 9,710 – EUR 26,818: 14 percent
EUR 26,819 – EUR 71,898: 30 percent
EUR 71,899 – EUR 152,260: 41 percent
EUR 152,261+: 45 percent
then there’s social security contirbutions/Left column emplyoyer right emplpyee and dont forget VAT.

Family Benefits 3.45% 0%
Health/Sickness 12.84% 0.75%
Social Charges (CSG/CRDS etc) 0% 8.0%
Accident at Work 3% 0%
Unemployment Benefit 6.40% 2.40%
Main Pension 9.90% 6.75%
Complementary Pension 16.45% 11%
Total (say) 50% 30%


162 posted on 05/06/2017 3:10:13 PM PDT by pacific_waters
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35% is just the income tax, ask your friend about all the other taxes the French also pay!

Then there's the French Economy which grows at a snails pace and has high unemployment among the young.

Their healthcare may be "superior" however their economy, high taxation elsewhere (try buying a gallon of gasoline in France for what we pay here, good luck!) make it a very expensive country to live in.

163 posted on 05/06/2017 3:18:22 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Everyone pays the same percentage tax....35%...ah well, if everyone here paid 35% in taxes we'd have that sort of ideal system - but half the people in this country pay NOTHING in income taxes - because they're "poor" - so they get "free" inefficient Medicaid financed by other people's money - once we get to the point of everyone here paying at least five percent of their income in taxes, we can start to modernize coverage for all.....
164 posted on 05/06/2017 4:48:20 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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The French pay a progressive income tax:

Up to 9,710: EUR 0 percent tax
EUR 9,710 – EUR 26,818: 14 percent
EUR 26,819 – EUR 71,898: 30 percent
EUR 71,899 – EUR 152,260: 41 percent
EUR 152,261+: 45 percent

In addition they pay 20-25% of their income for healthcare, unemployment and pension.


166 posted on 05/06/2017 5:11:20 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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