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Idea: If Democrats Shut Down the Government, Should Trump Make It As Painless As Possible?
Townhall.com ^ | April 24, 2017 | Guy Benson

Posted on 04/24/2017 7:52:55 AM PDT by Kaslin

We'll entertain our thought experiment in a moment, but first, some background: If Congress misses its Friday deadline to pass legislation to fund the federal government, we will have our first Trump-era partial government shutdown ('partial' because the large majority of federal spending is already on autopilot). Republicans forced a wildly unpopular shutdown in 2013 in a quixotic attempt to withhold funding from Obamacare -- an outcome to which the president and his party would not agree. The GOP's tactic paid zero policy dividends an was heavily panned by voters; that said, it did not end up hindering the party's ability to win a smashing victory in the following year's midterm elections. Now it's the Democrats who find themselves in the driver's seat of a potential shutdown. They are pledging to block any spending bill that funds certain Trump priorities. Battle lines are drawn, negotiations are underway, and alleged offers are being bandied about:

Lawmakers passed a stop-gap spending bill in December to fund federal agencies through midnight next Friday. Congressional leaders are now scrambling to reach a bipartisan compromise on new legislation to keep the money flowing through fiscal 2017, which ends on Sept. 30. It's possible they may pass a short-term measure to keep the government funded for a few days or weeks past Friday's deadline to give themselves more time to negotiate. "We’re making great progress on funding the government, avoiding a shutdown," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a recent interview with the USA TODAY Network, referring to top Senate and House leaders of both parties. "Our worry is that the president will come in and insist on certain things that couldn't get the support of everybody." Among Trump's demands that could derail Democratic support for a deal: $1.4 billion to begin building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, $18 billion in cuts to domestic programs, stripping funds from Planned Parenthood and allowing states to stop federal grants from going to "sanctuary cities" that protect some undocumented immigrants from deportation. However, Democrats may support at least some of the approximately $30 billion that Trump wants to add for defense programs and combat operations. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that the shutdown fight is "the first real test of whether or not the Democrats — specifically in the Senate — are interested in negotiating, interested in compromising."

Note the framing here.  When the shoe was on the other foot four years ago, did the media report on "Obama's demands that could derail Republican support" for a bipartisan deal?  No, the onus was laid on "poison pill" items being pushed by the GOP that Obama said he could never accept.  Applying that same standard today, it's Democrats' insistent opposition to funding border security, and to protecting sanctuary cities, and to maintaining a taxpayer gravy train to a scandal-plagued major political donor, that could force a shutdown.  And thus many of the very same Democrats who treated a GOP-triggered shutdown as an apocalypse are now open to trying one of their own -- perhaps confident that the media will help them blame their opponents for the outcome, and that the public is generally inclined to finger the 'anti-government' party for any funding impasse. Meanwhile, the Republican Senator who is perhaps most associated with embracing shutdown tactics is amusingly wringing his hands and preemptively blasting Democrats for toying with the idea. Yet everyone involves seems to wonder why people distrust the press and generally despise Washington.

The vote-counting reality is that even though Republicans control the Senate with 52 votes, they'll need at least eight more to advance a government funding bill. The legislative filibuster remains firmly intact, even after the Reid Rule was invoked on the Gorsuch Supreme Court nomination. And despite holding a sizable majority in the House of Representatives, Republicans will likely need Democratic votes to pass funding with a simple majority due to opposition to spending increases from fiscal conservatives. So Democrats have leverage on both ends of Capitol Hill, and they know it. If a deal isn't reached, their bet is that they can muddy the waters and pin a shutdown on the party in power, even if they're chiefly responsible for it. But putting the blame game off to one side, let's presume for the sake of this argument that the parties will be unable to settle on a plan to stave off a partial shutdown. Might the Trump administration consider eschewing the Democrat-inspired tradition of recent years of engaging in "shutdown theater"? This is a practice, employed by Presidents Clinton and Obama when locked in government funding fights with Congressional Republicans, in which the presiding presidential administration seeks to make the consequences of a partial federal shutdown as publicly-known and acutely-painful as possible. Two examples that exemplify this strategy are Obama ordering barricades erected at national monuments in Washington during the last shutdown, blocking tourists from seeing sights that would otherwise have been easily accessible to the public.  This led to civil disobedience from war veterans:

The closure of D.C.'s war memorials continues to be a source of contention for tourists and law enforcement officials. Like the hundreds of World War II veterans who came to National Mall to pay their respects this week, a group of Vietnam veterans found a barricade blocking the way to their memorial Friday. News4's Mark Segraves said two U.S. Park Service Rangers manning the gate asked that the group respect the government's shutdown but moved aside...The veterans then moved the barricade and walked down to the wall to pay their respects. But a flood of tourists followed even though the memorial is closed to the general public. "The consensus among the group of Vietnam veterans was we're going to go anyway. We'll go through the barricade," North Carolina resident Reid Mendenhall said. U.S. Park Police arrive to the scene, asked everyone to leave and put the barricade back into place. Conflict over the closure of D.C.'s war memorials has drawn a lot of controversy this week.

Setting up these temporary fences actually required proactive government effort, which seemed counterintuitive in a shutdown environment -- but the whole point was to show ordinary Americans that life cannot go on as normal in the midst of a partisan Beltway "crisis."  The other instance that comes to mind is a quote from former Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, who was asked about a Republican proposal to prioritize federal spending on broadly-popular and more essential programs in the midst of a partial shutdown. The GOP had suggested that certain dollars ought to go to the front of the spending line while a broader funding plan was hammered out: Financing interest on the national debt, maintaining paychecks to the troops, ensuring Social Security payments, etc. Asked specifically about Republicans' request to also prioritize NIH research (a favorite demagogic pressure point for Democrats) Reid infamously replied with a revealing question of his own: "Why would we want to do that?" In other words, why make sensible adult decisions to mitigate the possibly harmful impacts of a partial shutdown when there are people to harm and voters to scare for political gain?

Let me stipulate that the political temptation to pursue this approach is understandably powerful, and the incentive structure obvious: Whip up the public in opposition to a shutdown, and convince them that your opposition is to blame. This, in turn, ratchets up internal pressure on the other 'team' to end the stalemate as to avoid lasting negative political fallout. Their desperation gives you the upper hand to resolve the fight on terms that are most favorable to you. But considering that (a) Democrats should shoulder the disproportionate blame for this impending shutdown, and (b) the party of Big Government will continue to use shutdown scare tactics to win spending standoffs so long as that dynamic works in their favor, perhaps the Trump White House could consider a different approach. I explored this alternative on Twitter the other day:

If D's shut down gov't as base play, might Trump show how meh a shutdown can be? Prioritize & skip "parade of horribles" from Dem playbook.— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) April 21, 2017

Exactly. Prioritize NIH funding & paying troops. Keep parks open. Fed govt shuts down & life goes on just fine for quite some time. https://t.co/TuzAWxG9vA— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) April 21, 2017


The president and his allies could express requisite disappointment and frustration over Democrats' shutdown while making it consistently clear that Republicans are taking action to ensure that Democratic recklessness impacts as few people as possible. The troops, Social Security benefits, NIH research, and interest on the national debt would all come first. National parks and monuments would remain open. The sun would rise in the east and set in the west. Life would go on, with the overwhelming majority of Americans experiencing no adverse effects whatsoever. Republicans could still remind voters that there's a "shutdown" underway, that Democrats forced it, and that they're working to end it -- but they could also highlight how cynical the previous administration was by going out of its way to amplify and magnify harm for political advantage. This could be, to borrow a phrase from our most recent president, a "teachable moment" for the American people: The sky need not fall during these partial shutdowns, and politicians who are invested in creating that impression aren't to be trusted. And maybe, just maybe, the federal government isn't nearly as crucial to the smooth functioning of everyday American life as Statists would like people to believe.


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To: House Atreides

That is absolutely correct, of course. I wasn’t as clear as I meant to be.

It’s like you were reading my FReeperBrain while I posted!

:)


21 posted on 04/24/2017 8:22:15 AM PDT by Dana1960
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To: Kaslin

It won’t be the Democrats, it’ll be the GOPe, never Trumpers, who turn up their noses at the American people.

The same jackwagons that gave Barry Everything he wanted , and more.


22 posted on 04/24/2017 8:23:37 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches, and get with what's real.)
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To: Robert357

That would be great... the government (as it is) is TOOOOOO wasteful.

There is a tremendous amount of mismanagement, duplication of effort, lack of accountability.... etc.

Time for a hair cut


23 posted on 04/24/2017 8:24:21 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: Kaslin

If this happens. I hope he turns the management of all federal managed lands over to the states. That is-the USFS. Park Service, BLM and National Monuments.

The only area he can NOT turn back to the states is in DC.


24 posted on 04/24/2017 8:27:18 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz

He should turn it over to the states.


25 posted on 04/24/2017 8:29:47 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: JBW1949
“How much effect has the partial federal shutdown had on your everyday life?”

Most low information voters probably didn’t even know there WAS a shutdown...*LOL*

Good point - that should have been the first question in the survey, and if the answer was "didn't know" then the answer to "how much effect" would have been a given.

26 posted on 04/24/2017 8:29:54 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Kaslin

Shut down the damn government and clean house once and for all. This country would get by very nicely with 1/2 of the current work force.


27 posted on 04/24/2017 8:30:11 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: Kaslin

What would be ideal is to somehow rid ourselves of the public employee union under this. Until we can get that destroyed the american people are at a huge disadvantage.
One can dream.


28 posted on 04/24/2017 8:31:48 AM PDT by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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To: Kaslin; LS

FR’s LS has another way of looking at a government shutdown. Thanks LS..

Trump Wins YUGE in a Government Shutdown
American Spectator ^ | April 24, 2017, 12:04 am | LARRY SCHWEIKART
Posted on 4/23/2017, 11:51:36 PM by Behind Liberal Lines

We’re looking at a possible government shutdown next Saturday, and that’s got some conservatives nervous. They shouldn’t be. Admittedly, past government shutdowns — or threats of shutdowns — have worked against conservatives. With Trump, however, it would likely be a different story....

even a partial shutdown plays precisely into the Trump agenda and his campaign promises of draining the swamp. Trump’s base, as well as “swing voters” who are fed up with out of control spending, would, of course, be cheered by such a move. Moreover, such a shutdown plays into Trump’s hands by giving him every excuse to slash funding to “sanctuary cities,” to bloated university programs, to global warming science grants, and on and on. Social Security checks will continue, the military will be funded, and necessary services will hum along while grants to study the sex life of the fruit bat will not. Deep State bureaucrats who so depend on the federal government for their very existence would be the ones most hurt. In short, Trump can not only make even a partial shutdown look like the Democrats’ fault but shield many of the (normally) loudest voices from the pain.

More important, every minute the bloated government is shut down reinforces the perception of Trump as a businessman who cuts the fat, extracts more efficiency, and makes the U.S. government more like a business. Unlike the Clinton/Gingrich shutdown battle, the control over what sectors of the government get their money is in the hands of a Republican president, not a Democrat who held up funds on the most visible and sympathetic programs. Trump would relish starving all the non-essential offices like PBS and NPR or global-warming science grants.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3546739/posts


29 posted on 04/24/2017 8:32:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Don't bother with fake news about Trump on MMS/FAUX. FR has Trump's Tweets and his real news daily!)
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To: Kaslin

This is the lunacy we have faced, breathing the same air with `rats:
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/17/days-before-trump-takes-office-obama-gives-500-million-to-un-green-climate-fund/
“Days before Trump takes office, Obama gives another $500 million to UN Green Climate Fund”

Maximum Leader Barry writes a couple checks on the US Treasury giving the UN a cool billion to fight a non-existent problem somewhere else: global warming in 3rd world countries. (All the while spending money hand-over-fist importing 3rd worlders into America as fast as he could.)

President Trump has to fight like a tiger for the same amount in order to do his job and secure the states from foreign invasion, while his party sits by with their thumbs up their butts.


30 posted on 04/24/2017 8:33:45 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Kaslin
The last shutdown had the Alaska crab fishing boats stuck at the docks, waiting for the paper pushers to issue the proper permits. This shutdown should, therefore, include a provision that anything the federal government regulates, that isn't classified as essential, is hereby unregulated while the government is shut down.
31 posted on 04/24/2017 8:41:59 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Kaslin

Absolutely as painless as possible. Make the govt seem absolutely unnecessary.


32 posted on 04/24/2017 8:56:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Kaslin

government does not own the national parks... the people do... so if the government cannot man the booths to collect money from visitors, then it is free... the government cannot keep people out, just because they are not there.


33 posted on 04/24/2017 8:58:51 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The filibuster should be eliminated. If republicans don’t do it now, democrats will surely eliminate it once they return to Senate majority. Comity has ended, it is now only about majority rule. Let’s get it done.

Keep the filibuster

BUT

No more of this gentlemanly "I announce a filibuster" BS. McConnell ought to make them actually filibuster like James Stewart did in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington".

...and shut off the water

...and lock the bathroom doors.

34 posted on 04/24/2017 9:14:14 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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To: Kaslin

Thats what I said.

But, he cant turn anything within the bounds of the District of Columbia over because that is within the ten mile square area mentioned in the constitution.


35 posted on 04/24/2017 9:16:44 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz

Yeah, you did, and I agreed with you sts.


36 posted on 04/24/2017 9:24:46 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: NobleFree

The Republicans are always blamed for the government shutdown. When in fact it is the demonrats who shut the government down. This is factual


37 posted on 04/24/2017 9:28:11 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: Qiviut

Arrgh, I can’t stand that stupid word “YUGE” it should be banned


38 posted on 04/24/2017 9:32:18 AM PDT by Kaslin ( The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: Dana1960

"Gov’t employees who are laid off as a result of a gov’t shutdown can file for unemployment checks. Just as employees of private employers do. There should be NO back pay in full for laid off federal employees."
Exactly, take their money and never give it back. Include Congressmen and Senators, cut all medical benefits, no one ever paid my bills when I was on the street because of a labor dispute. Fire the non-essential, great time to reduce the amount of federal workers.
39 posted on 04/24/2017 9:38:43 AM PDT by Souled_Out (Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts of people.)
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To: Dilbert56

Seem rather like the Stamp Act, when people couldn’t get married or anything else because they couldn’t get an official stamp.

Worked out real well for them that time, of course, but we are more timid these days, what with the NDAA and all. Your solution is the rational and arguably most precedented one.

“the mayor would have led the gang, but Boston weren’t a city”
(great song, btw)


40 posted on 04/24/2017 9:52:02 AM PDT by Apogee
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