Posted on 04/18/2017 5:06:52 AM PDT by pabianice
The owner of the plane?
Most planes are leased, the airlines don’t buy them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/business/10flyboy.html
Is it your interpretation then, that a person who has boarded, and is then involuntarily denied transit on that flight is not entitled to any compensation under the rule?
If so, it creates an incentive for airlines to board people when they intend to deny them passage on that flight.
The article I posted proves you dead wrong. The pilots are angrily denying any involvement.
I posted backup for my statement. Kindly do likewise.
Dao has a history of frivolous lawsuits, and he was on the phone with his attorney (insisting that he initiate a suite against United) when the police came in to take him off the plane FOR THE SECOND TIME. He obviously intended to precipitate a civil suit — which the airline undoubtedly would try to resolve quietly and out of court — when he snuck back onto the plane.
Whether the flight was overbooked is irrelevant. Even if Dao had been the only passenger on the plane, when the flight attendant tells you you have to get off, YOU HAVE TO GET OFF. It’s the law.
Police have a saying, “You can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.” IOW, if they come to arrest you, you aren’t going to talk your way out of it. They don’t have that leeway. So shut up, get in the car and call your lawyer after you’ve been booked.
The same applies here. Don’t argue with the FA, take it off the plane and voice your objection to the gate agent.
‘Dao has a history of frivolous lawsuits’
Please provide a link that validates this claim. Thank you.
‘He was on the phone with his attorney (insisting that he initiate a suite against United) when the police came in to take him off the plane FOR THE SECOND TIME.’
This is categorically false. As I posted earlier:
Dao suffered a concussion, the loss of two teeth and a broken nose during the first/initial brute force deplanibg. (The goons slammed his face into the armrest.) They tased him point blank for good measure.
The goons left him bleeding and unconcious—and unattended—outside the open cabin door. Dao came to and did in fact reenter the plane. All accounts say he was staggering and disoriented. He made no calls to any attorney subsequent to being concussed; he just kept repeating, “I need to go home, I need to go home.’
You can deny involvement but you cant deny responsibility.
“Is it your interpretation then, that a person who has boarded, and is then involuntarily denied transit on that flight is not entitled to any compensation under the rule?”
No. I am saying it is irrelevant only to what Dr Dao had any obligation to involuntarily accept as compensation, as his position was what he rightfully deserved was his seat, the seat he had already been boarded to.
Had those forms of compensation been offered to Dr Dao BEFORE he had been boarded, United’s terms of service meant they were the only forms of “compensation” they had to offer him, AT THAT TIME.
In the trial, those sums will be irrelevant as to compensation United now owes Dr Dao.
"Arrest" is a legal term of art. The police do not arrest everybody they detain, and they do not detain every person they "encounter."
Agreed though, noncompliance with police orders or "requests" can result in escalation to the use of force. Without some tactical force advantage, it is foolhardy to offer even passive resistance.
>>>Libs love to present arguments in terms of ways they WISH things were.
Thus Obamacare sucks because the Democrats HAD to dilute it to meet with sufficient Republican approval to get it passed. Yep I hear this argument every week. Some will even tell you that it is the Republican input that made it sucky<<<
Who is making that argument?
Obamacare passed without ONE Republican Vote.
“When you board a boat or ship the captain is THE authority.”
yeah, you keep posting that over and over again here, but here’s what the United pilots THEMSELVES have to say about what happened:
*I’m* not denying anything. It’s the ***pilots*** who are denying ***responsibility.***
You obviously didn’t read this article the first time I posted here, so here it is again:
FULL TITLE: Angry United Airlines pilots’ union issue statement denying ALL responsibility for forcible removal of doctor last week and say Chicago cops are to blame
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3544107/posts
Those amounts are also irrelevant for people who are denied passage through the jetbridge too. Nobody has to accept the rules-based offer. There are lawsuits where a person who was never let past the boarding agent obtained damages in excess of the rules-based compensation.
So let me change the question ever so slightly. Is it your position that the airlines have no obligation to make the Rule 25 offer, after they have boarded then involuntarily removed a passenger? I understand your position to be that Rule 25 doesn't apply to Dao, because he was allowed to get on the plane. I'm exploring the ramifications of "Rule 25 no longer applies after a person has boarded."
you’re both wrong: it was United Express Flight 3411, contracted by United from another airline. The airplanes are not owned by United but are painted EXACTLY like United planes with the exception they say “United Express” rather than “United”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Express_Flight_3411_incident
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Get me a legal contract from the company that states that they can be removed for any reason. Answer, you can't because United's documents don't even come close to stating "any removal for any reason". Like I care what some jerk from the WWE has to say. You are an absolute joke.
Does picked a fight and got one. Doom on him, the liberal.
Got a legal reference for that “legally...”?
He can call his attorney all he wants once he complies with the lawful to exit the aircraft.
Any aircraft owner can tell you to leave. What kind of moron thinks a person has a legal right to demand to stay??
You wish. Doa was entitled to at most $1300. He picked a fight and caused a flight delay that United can sue him for the damages.
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